10-02-2015, 10:37 AM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Yes, we would have. Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa were all hanging by threads. And they all would have been gone without things like revenue sharing. Trying to defend your argument with "that was before the salary cap" doesn't change the fact that your smugness is misplaced given you are casting stones from your glass house.
The system is such that we are paying the revenue sharing money regardless. It doesn't actually matter who receives it.
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The NHL needs Canadian teams. Canada promotes the game more than the US and produces a bulk of the players, not to mention better TV deals. It's true that some of the teams were doing poorly economically, but it was certainly in the interest of every team in the league to keep as many teams as possible in Canada at the time.
Would anyone really miss the Panthers in a few years? I don't see them having a lot of intrinsic value to the league in general. I doubt we would see many "bring back the Panthers" rallies. Not that I care if they stay or leave. It's not really a concern of mine, but I wouldn't put much effort into keeping them there.
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10-02-2015, 11:49 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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Cali flames fan would miss them heh
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10-02-2015, 02:11 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The NHL needs Canadian teams. Canada promotes the game more than the US and produces a bulk of the players, not to mention better TV deals. It's true that some of the teams were doing poorly economically, but it was certainly in the interest of every team in the league to keep as many teams as possible in Canada at the time.
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Actually, it wasn't. As I recall, the Leafs were opposed to the currency equalization scheme or any other method of bailing out the small-market Canadian teams. They figured they could go back to the glory days before 1967, when they had the English-language media all to themselves from coast to coast.
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10-02-2015, 02:34 PM
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#44
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The NHL needs Canadian teams. Canada promotes the game more than the US and produces a bulk of the players, not to mention better TV deals. It's true that some of the teams were doing poorly economically, but it was certainly in the interest of every team in the league to keep as many teams as possible in Canada at the time.
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Honestly, that is grossly arrogant. There is nothing at all about Calgary or Edmonton or Ottawa that is more important than Winnipeg or Quebec City. At that time, Canada was not generating much revenue at all relative to the US cities. Montreal and Toronto they would want to keep. The rest of us? The owners of the time would not have cared.
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Would anyone really miss the Panthers in a few years? I don't see them having a lot of intrinsic value to the league in general. I doubt we would see many "bring back the Panthers" rallies. Not that I care if they stay or leave. It's not really a concern of mine, but I wouldn't put much effort into keeping them there.
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You aren't in the business of operating an NHL team, so I doubt very many people are too concerned about how concerned you are.
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10-02-2015, 02:57 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Honestly, that is grossly arrogant. There is nothing at all about Calgary or Edmonton or Ottawa that is more important than Winnipeg or Quebec City. At that time, Canada was not generating much revenue at all relative to the US cities. Montreal and Toronto they would want to keep. The rest of us? The owners of the time would not have cared.
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I am not implying that Calgary, Edmonton or Ottawa are more important than Winnipeg or Quebec City. Just that after losing 2 teams, the NHL made the correct decision for the whole league to implement currency equalization. The fact the Canadian markets in recent times punched well above their weight to the economic growth of the league justified whatever safety nets they put in place at the time.
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You aren't in the business of operating an NHL team, so I doubt very many people are too concerned about how concerned you are.
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Yeah, that was necessary.
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10-02-2015, 03:09 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The NHL needs Canadian teams. Canada promotes the game more than the US and produces a bulk of the players, not to mention better TV deals. It's true that some of the teams were doing poorly economically, but it was certainly in the interest of every team in the league to keep as many teams as possible in Canada at the time.
Would anyone really miss the Panthers in a few years? I don't see them having a lot of intrinsic value to the league in general. I doubt we would see many "bring back the Panthers" rallies. Not that I care if they stay or leave. It's not really a concern of mine, but I wouldn't put much effort into keeping them there.
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The fact of the matter is, we were sending more TV money south per team than we received in equalization payments, so it wasn't the American teams and Bettman being altruistic.
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10-02-2015, 03:18 PM
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#47
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
The fact of the matter is, we were sending more TV money south per team than we received in equalization payments, so it wasn't the American teams and Bettman being altruistic.
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Do you have a source for that information? Not questioning you, but something I would be interested in seeing.
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10-02-2015, 03:56 PM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Originally Posted by FlamingLonghorn
Do you have a source for that information? Not questioning you, but something I would be interested in seeing.
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I gave links back in the old Phoenix thread but here's what I found in a quick search.
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These numbers are a bit out of date so not 100% accurate, but:
Canadian assistance program: $20M/y
CBC TV deal: $65M/y
Versus TV deal: $72.5M/y
If the CBC revenue stayed in Canada, there wouldn't have been a Canadian assistance program.
Re: currency, when the dollar was at 65c US purchasing power was still >80c US, so it was undervalued then. Historic lows aren't "normal levels". Not to mention oil will go up when the economy recovers and the CAD is essentially a petrodollar. And our banks are the best in the world, huzzah!
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http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...al#post1837827
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10-02-2015, 04:05 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan
Calm down everyone. It's just to make sure it's a pretty full building for opening night. Hockey isn't big on the radar here, so this is how they promote the team. It's just something you have to do here that isn't necessary in big hockey markets.
There are plenty of tickets sold all year long, and the building is full when teams like Montreal, Toronto, and the New York teams are visiting. They probably operate at a loss, but it's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
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To be honest, even your attempt to make it not sound so bad, sounds pretty bad.
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11-21-2015, 09:35 AM
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#50
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Bump
New holiday promo:
Crazy. I don't understand how they're still in business.
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11-21-2015, 09:47 AM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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For 99 bucks and all those perks it'd consider flying in for a jets game with the wife. What a deal. Hard to imagine how they are still in Miami. That team must be losing money at incredible levels.
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11-21-2015, 09:51 AM
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#52
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by JonDuke
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New holiday promo:
Crazy. I don't understand how they're still in business.
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To be fair, having your photo taken on the ice probably doesn't cost that much
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11-21-2015, 09:57 AM
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#53
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Powerplay Quarterback
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$99 can sure go a long way. Throw in an autograph jersey then deal
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11-21-2015, 10:00 AM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
Don't forget, those tickets are U.S. dollars. In a few more months $10 U.S. will buy a house in Canada.
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Is that before, or after taxes?
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11-21-2015, 10:05 AM
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#55
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Franchise Player
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Beware guys, MTL, NYR & CHI are blacked out. Deal doesn't apply for those games.
And Flames already played the Panthers otherwise I'd be all over this.
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11-21-2015, 10:08 AM
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#56
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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With how many free tickets that organization has given away over the years, this is probably an increase in revenue
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11-21-2015, 10:16 AM
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#57
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Crash and Bang Winger
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2 park passes for 99$ not a bad deal! Plus some random hockey crap to re-gift at christmas, win win!
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11-21-2015, 10:42 AM
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#58
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Originally Posted by JonDuke
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New holiday promo:
Crazy. I don't understand how they're still in business.
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Can't be legit. Airfare and hotel not included.
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11-21-2015, 11:11 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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Of course it's legit, go to the panthers website.
Obviously airfare and hotel aren't included LOL.
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11-21-2015, 11:40 AM
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#60
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Of course it's legit, go to the panthers website.
Obviously airfare and hotel aren't included LOL.
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I think his post was green text
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