Huberdeau an offer sheet target?

[Poe969]

I'm willing to bet that if there's a chance to get Uber-do BT is exploring it to the fullest extent. I think he'd be a great top 6 for us now and probably a top 3 moving forward. I'd want to explore what they'd want the Flames to give up for him in a trade before an offer sheet. I also wonder what he's asking for in terms of a contract. BT made it sound like trades to make cap space are available so I don't think that's really a problem he's worried about. I think he's waiting to see how camp goes and if any prospects prove they deserve a shot on the team first.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that if a prospect doesn't jump into the top 6 then BT will make a move to get either Uber-do or Nelson.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Not sure I agree with this. Dale Tallon took over in 2010 after an eternity of losing and not getting any better. He quickly started trading away guys like Horton and promptly fired Pete DeBoer. They've been building through the draft, and only last year were they starting to get somewhere with that process. Huberdeau was one of the key guys in the rebuild, along with Barkov and now Bjugstad, and losing him to an offer sheet would cut that rebuild off at the knees.

It would honestly be like someone offer sheeting Sean Monahan. How pissed off would you be?

Dale Tallon is a great GM if you want your team to pick top 5 annually in hopes that you hit enough picks to turn things around. Sure he got things rolling in Chicago but that's because he made them bad enough to accumulate key top 5 picks and once they got good his incompetency showed and he got demoted/fired. He tried his hardest to trade away his 1st round pick in 2014 and dodged a bullet nobody bit because Ekblad is better than any return he could have fetched. I just don't see the skill and genius in having guys like Ekblad, Barkov, and Huberdeau fall in your lap because your team stinks. IMO he's the right guy for the Panthers because nobody cares out there so they can just keep losing until they accumulate enough talent to break out to which Tallon will no longer be useful as he's from the Oilers school of being good at being bad.

[Vinny01]

I think Huberdeau would be a fantastic add to the Flames. A second line of Huberdeau-Bennett-Frolik would be awesome. I just don't see the Flames having the right assets or cap space to make it work.

[Poe969]

Jones makes 4, Raymond makes 3.15, Smid makes 3.5, Ramo makes 3.8, Hiller makes 4.5. Those are all guys who I think could be traded and not make a huge impact on the team (one of the goalies, not both). If even one of those guys would be packaged in a deal to get Huberdeau, we'd likely have the cap space for him.

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Huberdeau would be a fantastic add to the Flames. A second line of Huberdeau-Bennett-Frolik would be awesome. I just don't see the Flames having the right assets or cap space to make it work.

I like Gaudreau as much as the next person, but **IF** we ever landed Huberdeau, I'd like to think he'd rock the 1st line with Monahan-Hudler.

[Da_Chief]

Florida is such a garbage franchise. Move them already. Have wasted/ruined so many top draft picks.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Florida is such a garbage franchise. Move them already. Have wasted/ruined so many top draft picks.

Wiess, Bouwmeester,Olesz, Horton, top 10 Florida draft picks that messed up other teams cap wise with big contracts..

Will Frolik avoid the curse?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Dale Tallon is a great GM if you want your team to pick top 5 annually in hopes that you hit enough picks to turn things around. Sure he got things rolling in Chicago but that's because he made them bad enough to accumulate key top 5 picks and once they got good his incompetency showed and he got demoted/fired. .

I don't know if you are on a personal vendetta against Tallon but this part is just nonsense.

Tallon took over in Chicago in 2005 after the Blackhawks had been terrible for almost a decade. By year four they were in the playoffs (lost in the conference finals) and the next year they were the SC champs. He built the core that made Chicago the perennial contender they are today.

When he took over in Florida in 2010 the Panthers had been a perennial loser since their existence. He had nothing to work with, their prospect pool was zero. They made the playoffs on his second year with mercenaries like Fleichmann and Versteeg but it wasn't sustainable and only last year their own prospects and drafting started coming into fruition. It's hard not to see them competing for the playoffs for the foreseeable future.

He has been handed keys to two different organizations that were completely crap and he turned them around. Whether Florida can become a perennial playoff team and a contender remains to be seen but the core is there.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Jones makes 4, Raymond makes 3.15, Smid makes 3.5, Ramo makes 3.8, Hiller makes 4.5. Those are all guys who I think could be traded and not make a huge impact on the team (one of the goalies, not both). If even one of those guys would be packaged in a deal to get Huberdeau, we'd likely have the cap space for him.

If Florida was going to take our cap dump, they could just use the money to sign Huberdeau instead.

[Poe969]

That's why I said "if" and "one of those guys". The Flames would have to give up draft picks, plain and simple. If the deal is a first and third for Huberdeau, maybe you can make it a first, second and one or two of those guys. Those players aren't garbage by any means and if they're not dealt they will be on the Flames roster. The panthers would get one or two serviceable players to help them fill out the roster with actual NHL players and add draft picks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

I like Gaudreau as much as the next person, but **IF** we ever landed Huberdeau, I'd like to think he'd rock the 1st line with Monahan-Hudler.

Why? Johnny Hockey is the better player

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't know if you are on a personal vendetta against Tallon but this part is just nonsense.

Tallon took over in Chicago in 2005 after the Blackhawks had been terrible for almost a decade. By year four they were in the playoffs (lost in the conference finals) and the next year they were the SC champs. He built the core that made Chicago the perennial contender they are today.

When he took over in Florida in 2010 the Panthers had been a perennial loser since their existence. He had nothing to work with, their prospect pool was zero. They made the playoffs on his second year with mercenaries like Fleichmann and Versteeg but it wasn't sustainable and only last year their own prospects and drafting started coming into fruition. It's hard not to see them competing for the playoffs for the foreseeable future.

He has been handed keys to two different organizations that were completely crap and he turned them around. Whether Florida can become a perennial playoff team and a contender remains to be seen but the core is there.

Thanks for saying it so I didn't have to. You pretty much nailed it.

Also, there's more to the Panthers than those top picks Estrada mentioned. It's just that those are significant core pieces that you move other pieces around. If someone is willing to offer sheet one of your core players simply because you don't have the resources to sign him to a max contract, well that kinda sucks if you're trying to build a perennially competitive team, which is the only thing that will bring fans into that building and stabilize them economically.

I know everyone would just as soon let the Panthers fold or move, but it's not good for the public image and financial health of the league for that to happen. It would be a lose-lose scenario for everyone.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why? Johnny Hockey is the better player

This. Huberdeau is going to be a top 6 winger but JG is going to be a top 5 forward in the NHL and might even have an Art Ross trophy or two in the mix when all is said and done.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This. Huberdeau is going to be a top 6 winger but JG is going to be a top 5 forward in the NHL and might even have an Art Ross trophy or two in the mix when all is said and done.

I actually really disagree with this. Gaudreau is a very good player, elite in his skill and talent, but I can't put him in the same class as Crosby, Seguin, Giroux, Getzlaf, Stamkos, and probably now McDavid. You can easily say top 30, or top 20, but going much beyond that is pretty hard to argue.

Huberdeau is in much the same group as Gaudreau: Top line talent, likely a perennial all-star, but not in the elites of the league.

[Poe969]

Let's get them both on the Flames and see what they can do together!

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I actually really disagree with this. Gaudreau is a very good player, elite in his skill and talent, but I can't put him in the same class as Crosby, Seguin, Giroux, Getzlaf, Stamkos, and probably now McDavid. You can easily say top 30, or top 20, but going much beyond that is pretty hard to argue.

Huberdeau is in much the same group as Gaudreau: Top line talent, likely a perennial all-star, but not in the elites of the league.

I disagree with this. Johnny scored the most points last year than anyone potentially on that Team North America in the worlds. He did this as a 21 year old rookie. Gaudreau also spent a lot of last season with the likes of Jooris, Granlund and others before he was paired with Monahan. I think Johnny will be in that elite class of forwards as soon as next year and will put himself in that top tier in terms of offensive talent very soon

[Mattman]

Not going to get into the whole Kane trade debacle but I could definitely see Huberdeau in a Blackhawks jersey and Kane going to Florida

[JonDuke]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This. Huberdeau is going to be a top 6 winger but JG is going to be a top 5 forward in the NHL and might even have an Art Ross trophy or two in the mix when all is said and done.

Man, I really like JG too, but your homer glasses are on too tight.

I hope you're right, but to suggest top 5 in all of the NHL, right now, is off.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Wiess, Bouwmeester,Olesz, Horton, top 10 Florida draft picks that messed up other teams cap wise with big contracts..

Will Frolik avoid the curse?

Hasn't he already ? He has been a solid contributor to two other teams since he was in Florida

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by JonDuke

Man, I really like JG too, but your homer glasses are on too tight.

I hope you're right, but to suggest top 5 in all of the NHL, right now, is off.

He didn't day he was right now he said Johnny is going to be. With the progression he has shown dice drafted in 2011 it is not a huge reach to think in 2-5 years Johnny could be a top 5 scorer in the game