Anti-Pride Bus Driver Fired

[photon]

Originally Posted by Poison

Heres the main point. By refusing to drive this bus this guy is actively discriminating against gay people? Or sticking to his own beliefs?

Both.

Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing is perceived to belong to rather than on individual merit.

His beliefs are driving the discrimination.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Poison

Id prefer to stay on topic instead of satisfying you and your quizzes.

I think you'd just prefer not to out yourself as the hypocritical bigot that you probably are.

[Flash Walken]

I'm so heterosexual I feel compelled to let everyone know on an anonymous message board that my location is on the chest of an attractive celebrity woman.

[Lanny's Stache]

It is pretty clear from the way that he handled the whole situation that this was his plan the whole time.

I am assuming that a GoFundMe will be set up in no time with hopes to cash in on his bigotry.

It is a shame that the media is more than happy to give this guy his 5 seconds.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by rubecube

In this instance, they're the same thing.

Incorrect. However it would be wrong of me to force my beliefs on you....

[Hack&Lube]

I remember in elementary school when I was a rigorously indoctrinated kid that one day, our gym team decided to name our team "The Demons" (in the same vein as the New Jersey Devils, etc.) and wear t-shirts with that name on it.

My poor childhood mind actually suffered an intense feeling of religious conflict and panic because that's how your brain gets re-wired under indoctrination. Absurd as it may sound to myself as a rational, free-thinking adult, I thought I was branding myself with Satan. That said, it was hard but I wore it anyway because it was only for a few days and it wasn't worth being a social outcast at school. I suppose I could have gone to my teacher and ask to be excused etc. (I do recall kids getting excused from sex ed. and from reading fantasy novels as part of literature courses, etc. because their parents suffered from similar religious paranoia & ignorance).

From that perspective, I understand and empathize with the emotional conflict that people like this bus driver and Kim Davis (Kentucky county clerk) might feel in this situation. I don't however, have any sympathy for their bigoted views and how they are outspoken about it and refused to find a constructive way to work around these problems.

The bus driver should have gone to his management or human resources or the union with this grievance. They may have been able to resolve it quietly. On the contrary, I read that he would post these complaints to facebook and went to the media to try to stir up conflict and controversy to spread these views. I have no sympathy with that.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think you'd just prefer not to out yourself as the hypocritical bigot that you probably are.

Name calling!! Good for you son. You are so much better than me! What a joke.

[polak]

Originally Posted by photon

He wasn't asked to drive this bus. He preemptively went to the media to say he would refuse to drive the bus. The the city said if he would have come up in the rotation to drive the bus they would have worked with him to reschedule.

But he didn't do that, he chose to go public first and to press the issue in the media. In other words he wanted a public conflict rather than a reasonable compromise (which he would have gotten if he'd asked for).

I have restrictions about what I can go to the media about with respect to my employment, if I violate those I would expect to be terminated.

This.

I could understand if he didn't want to be forced to be associated with the issue at hand. But he wasn't forced. He went out looking for a fight before anything happened.

That's why he got fired. It wasn't an issue of beliefs. It was an issue of be an insubordinate #####head.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Poison

Heres the main point. By refusing to drive this bus this guy is actively discriminating against gay people? Or sticking to his own beliefs?

I know you're having a completely off-topic and irrelevant argument with rubecube (shocking..), but this isn't the question at hand.

He can absolutely refuse to drive the bus on religious grounds. In Canada, we tolerate bigotry because we have freedom of religion, and freedom of thought. His supervisor or manager would probably feel bad about it, but they are obliged to make all possible accommodations for him.

There are a few facts that are very key:
1) He was never assigned to the route that had this particular bus.
2) He never brought up the issue with his manager/supervisor.
3) He went to the media and represented himself as Calgary Transit.

This brings the point that Calgary Transit did not discriminate against him specifically. They didn't FORCE him to drive the bus in violation of his own beliefs. They didn't force him to change his beliefs or go against his religion. Yet he went to the media on some sort of personal crusade, while as a representative of Calgary Transit.

These are the reasons that he was "railroaded" and fired. Not because his views aren't accepted.

You can go back to your scheduled argument with rube now.

[MRCboicgy]

K, let's drop the talking down to each other and get back on topic.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Poison

Heres the main point. By refusing to drive this bus this guy is actively discriminating against gay people? Or sticking to his own beliefs?

By preemptively making a stink about it to the media that's exactly what he was doing. It was no mistake he did that. He put his employer who, in a civilised society, was likely left with no option but to let him go.

Regarding "sticking to your own beliefs" if your beliefs make you discriminate against other people I'm not sure why a company should have to bow to your bigotry. He's welcome to find employment with a company that shares his beliefs, should a company based on such beliefs exist and be able to keep enough customers to survive.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I know you're having a completely off-topic and irrelevant argument with rubecube (shocking..), but this isn't the question at hand.

He can absolutely refuse to drive the bus on religious grounds. In Canada, we tolerate bigotry because we have freedom of religion, and freedom of thought. His supervisor or manager would probably feel bad about it, but they are obliged to make all possible accommodations for him.

There are a few facts that are very key:
1) He was never assigned to the route that had this particular bus.
2) He never brought up the issue with his manager/supervisor.
3) He went to the media and represented himself as Calgary Transit.

This brings the point that Calgary Transit did not discriminate against him specifically. They didn't FORCE him to drive the bus in violation of his own beliefs. They didn't force him to change his beliefs or go against his religion. Yet he went to the media on some sort of personal crusade, while as a representative of Calgary Transit.

These are the reasons that he was "railroaded" and fired. Not because his views aren't accepted.

You can go back to your scheduled argument with rube now.

Thank you for giving us the well reasoned, correct answer.

[Flash Walken]

If I was a closeted, self-loathing homosexual I would probably not want to drive a bus reminding me of it too.

[polak]

To be fair, not wanting to drive a bus that's promoting pride due to your religion is not the same as actively discriminating against gay people. That would be refusing to pick gay people up, or forcing them to pay more or sit in the back or something.

That's not the issue here though, like I said earlier. He's just insubordinate #####head.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Replace headline with "Neo-Nazi Bus Driver Fired". Does anyone care?

[Locke]

I will openly admit I havent read through this entire thread but I think the guy got his protest wrong at its core.

The bus doesnt promote homosexuality, it promotes acceptance and tolerance of homosexuality. Those are very different things.

Granted it shows that he has neither.

But people arent going to take up homosexuality as their new favourite hobby because the bus inspired them to.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If I was a closeted, self-loathing homosexual I would probably not want to drive a bus reminding me of it too.

People like that usually go for Republican nominations in American elections.

[Flash Walken]

http://gayhomophobe.com/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Regorium

He can absolutely refuse to drive the bus on religious grounds. In Canada, we tolerate bigotry because we have freedom of religion, and freedom of thought.

Suppose the city insisted that he drive that bus or that all buses were "pride buses". In what way would "forcing" him to drive the bus be infringing on his right to believe whatever he wants? How would it be preventing him from believing in whatever ass-backwards religious principles he chooses?

Here are your employment duties. Do them. No? Okay, bye, we'll hire someone else to do them.

[Looch City]

So it was Illuminaughty in the Flames Pride thread and now Poison in this thread.

I wonder who it will be in the next thread...