Icelanders offer their homes, help for Syrian refugees

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

If you're fleeing from war you don't get the right to be picky. Our system is already overburdened from entitlements

You make it sound like the refugees started the war, so they don't have the right to a good safe life. They didn't choose to be born into a place where war and violence erupted.

Having said that, there are conflicts globally. Canada realistically can't just accept every refugee from every conflict. It's not an easy subject, especially when death tolls are rising.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You make it sound like the refugees started the war, so they don't have the right to a good safe life. They didn't choose to be born into a place where war and violence erupted.

They have NO right to illegally enter another country. All illegal aliens need to be sent back like what Hungary is doing.

If they don't want an oppressive regime then maybe they can go to Israel instead of putting the burden on Western nations.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

They have NO right to illegally enter another country. All illegal aliens need to be sent back like what Hungary is doing.

If they don't want an oppressive regime then maybe they can go to Israel instead of putting the burden on Western nations.

Jesus man, do you have no empathy for people? I'm not sitting here pretending I'm one of those people with all sorts of empathy and declaring we should let them all in. But I do have some empathy. There are likely many violent criminals mixed in with the thousands of refugees seeking safety, and so they need to be processed.

If you are staring down the barrel of an AK-47 in your own country, WTF would you do? Travel to the consulate, fill out papers, pay the fees, wait the year or two until an asylum country accepts you? The reality is there is a refugee crisis. The Western countries ARE going to accept refugees. The question is who will accept how many. Not are we going to accept them at all.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

They have NO right to illegally enter another country. All illegal aliens need to be sent back like what Hungary is doing.

If they don't want an oppressive regime then maybe they can go to Israel instead of putting the burden on Western nations.

What the #### is wrong with you.

People like you disgust me.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Having said that, there are conflicts globally. Canada realistically can't just accept every refugee from every conflict. It's not an easy subject, especially when death tolls are rising.

The problem IMO, was never the number of refugees but rather the distribution and the way they are handled. I do think the Conservatives were correct that the old system was way to liberal, but they took it too far the other way and made it too restrictive now.

The old system was causing social problems and "ghettoization" in some of Canada's largest cities. Refugees were not being distributed to areas that needed labour and were congregating in the same areas which put huge burdens on the social system. We are such a large country, but we were settling most of them in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver (primarily because we were giving them the choice).

Just to relate my family's personal experience in the 1970s, it was far more restrictive then, although the number of refugees coming in was still really high. I was born in Canada shortly after my family came here, but for a couple of years, my mother, father and sister were in a refugee facility and had to apply to come to Canada. Upon arrival, my parents along with other refugees were shipped to various parts of the country (mostly up north) to work in areas that needed labour. There was no choice, and they had to pay the government back over time for the financial burden of bringing them over. Only then could they move wherever. The system in Canada slowly became one where refugees basically landed, declared their status, and then were given a plane ticket to a city of their choice with a handshake and pat on the back so long as they had a sponsor (sometimes even without one).

I personally know a guy that did just that. Landed in Toronto, was taken into custody, then was released the same day to go on his own. For simplicity, most of them go to their ethnic communities for support, however it just adds to the unemployment in those areas, which leads to other problems like crime.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere, where we can take in thousands more refugees, but distribute them and support them in a way the is more sustainable and less of a burden in some areas.

[worth]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

The real question is WHY don't some of the wealthy arab nations take in some of these migrants? Qatar, UAE, and Saudi Arabia can surely handle these people, why must they come to Europe (and hopefully not Canada).

Not to mention ISRAEL should take on some of them as well but that will never happen.

Stop putting the burden on us!

Jordan, a country with a population of 6 million people has taken in 1.5 million Syrian refugees.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ar/s...refugees.html#

http://en.qantara.de/content/jordan-...rue-samaritans

[FlamesAddiction]

Since this sort of became an all encompassing topic about the refugee crisis...

The other countries in the Visegrad bloc besides Hungary (Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia) have rejected any EU quota for letting in refugees. In the joint statement, they also backed Hungary's stance on refusing to let migrants through and said that they will continue to protect their borders.

http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/04/c...igrant-quotas/

They have pledged more aid to the "transit" nations though.

[Thor]

Its times like this my respect for Germany grows.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10481522.html

Police in a German city have been forced to ask the public to stop bringing donations for arriving refugees after being inundated with food, clothes and toys in an overwhelming show of support.

This morning, Polizei München’s official account tweeted that around 590 refugees were at the city’s main train station, adding: “Anyone who wants to help is welcome.”

They could scarcely have predicted the huge response that followed within just minutes, as hundreds more migrants continued to disembark at the Hauptbahnhof.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jesus man, do you have no empathy for people? I'm not sitting here pretending I'm one of those people with all sorts of empathy and declaring we should let them all in. But I do have some empathy. There are likely many violent criminals mixed in with the thousands of refugees seeking safety, and so they need to be processed.

If you are staring down the barrel of an AK-47 in your own country, WTF would you do? Travel to the consulate, fill out papers, pay the fees, wait the year or two until an asylum country accepts you? The reality is there is a refugee crisis. The Western countries ARE going to accept refugees. The question is who will accept how many. Not are we going to accept them at all.

Alright, time for you to get truth-bombed

In Sweden, Muslim immigrants account for 5 percent of its population but commit 77 percent of its crime.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3Nc1ViBDd

84% of ALL Wanted Criminals in Copenhagen are of foreign origin
http://ekstrabladet.dk/folkets-roest...lation/5436086

Translated.
The number of sexual offenses, violent crimes and drug crimes have indeed increased nationwide. These serious forms of crime committed in the very high degree of foreigners who have immigrated to Denmark. New figures show that 84% of those being made in Copenhagen magistrate requiring detention, originating abroad. Approximately 10 percent of them have Danish citizenship.
Muslims are 7.5% of France's population but are responsible for 60% of the crime

http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/...1_4355770.html

A sample of 68 cases found 86% of men in Britian convicted of sex crimes against children are of Pakistani origin
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2012-05-16

[2007] Crime in Denmark, based on national origin of the perpetrator. Ethnic Danes come in at 9th
https://i.imgur.com/VKC9btD.png

From 2007-2009 all solved assault rape cases in Oslo were committed by people of non-western origin (AKA: Muslims)
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6944861

[Sweden, 2005]It is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects... 82% of Women are afraid of going out at night. Rapes happen in broad day light.
http://www.aina.org/news/20051215134351.htm

[2008] 70 percent of those in Spanish jails are Muslims, Spain with its 40-million population, which is 94 percent Catholic, has a Muslim community of around 600,000.
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2011-03-15
Danish Statistics: “Among the nine ethnic groups with the highest crime rate eight are Muslim”

http://10news.dk/danish-statistics-a...ht-are-muslim/

'Honour crime': 11,000 UK cases recorded in five years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33424644

Unemployed persons born in France are still far less likely to commit crimes than unemployed recent immigrant
http://park.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/yastodo/immigrants.pdf

The arrival of immigrants has resulted in a lack of progress in the reduction of offences against property and in a minor increase in the number of offences against Collective Security (i.e. drugs and trafficking). In the case of nationals, their contribution to the increase in the crime rate is primarily concentrated in offences against persons. Econometric results confirm the result even after controlling for all the observed socioeconomic and demographic factors
http://www.fedea.es/report2008/pdf/dt2008-34.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/VKC9btD.png

According to the figures from Danmarks Statistik, crime rate among refugees and their descendants is 73% higher than for the male population average, even when taking into account their socioeconomic background. A report from Teori- og Metodecentret from 2006 found that seven out of ten young people placed on the secured youth institutions in Denmark are immigrants (with 40 percent of them being refugees)

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Alright, time for you to get truth-bombed

In Sweden, Muslim immigrants account for 5 percent of its population but commit 77 percent of its crime.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz3Nc1ViBDd

84% of ALL Wanted Criminals in Copenhagen are of foreign origin
http://ekstrabladet.dk/folkets-roest...lation/5436086

Translated.
The number of sexual offenses, violent crimes and drug crimes have indeed increased nationwide. These serious forms of crime committed in the very high degree of foreigners who have immigrated to Denmark. New figures show that 84% of those being made in Copenhagen magistrate requiring detention, originating abroad. Approximately 10 percent of them have Danish citizenship.
Muslims are 7.5% of France's population but are responsible for 60% of the crime

http://www.lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/...1_4355770.html

A sample of 68 cases found 86% of men in Britian convicted of sex crimes against children are of Pakistani origin
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2012-05-16

[2007] Crime in Denmark, based on national origin of the perpetrator. Ethnic Danes come in at 9th
https://i.imgur.com/VKC9btD.png

From 2007-2009 all solved assault rape cases in Oslo were committed by people of non-western origin (AKA: Muslims)
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.6944861

[Sweden, 2005]It is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects... 82% of Women are afraid of going out at night. Rapes happen in broad day light.
http://www.aina.org/news/20051215134351.htm

[2008] 70 percent of those in Spanish jails are Muslims, Spain with its 40-million population, which is 94 percent Catholic, has a Muslim community of around 600,000.
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url...ate=2011-03-15
Danish Statistics: “Among the nine ethnic groups with the highest crime rate eight are Muslim”

http://10news.dk/danish-statistics-a...ht-are-muslim/

'Honour crime': 11,000 UK cases recorded in five years
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33424644

Unemployed persons born in France are still far less likely to commit crimes than unemployed recent immigrant
http://park.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/yastodo/immigrants.pdf

The arrival of immigrants has resulted in a lack of progress in the reduction of offences against property and in a minor increase in the number of offences against Collective Security (i.e. drugs and trafficking). In the case of nationals, their contribution to the increase in the crime rate is primarily concentrated in offences against persons. Econometric results confirm the result even after controlling for all the observed socioeconomic and demographic factors
http://www.fedea.es/report2008/pdf/dt2008-34.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/VKC9btD.png

According to the figures from Danmarks Statistik, crime rate among refugees and their descendants is 73% higher than for the male population average, even when taking into account their socioeconomic background. A report from Teori- og Metodecentret from 2006 found that seven out of ten young people placed on the secured youth institutions in Denmark are immigrants (with 40 percent of them being refugees)

Not to put too fine a point on it, and I'm not going to waste time arguing with you, but you are a ####ing idiot.

[Peanut]

Lol. You truly have no empathy if you can see photos of a dead 3 year old child, facedown on a beach, and continue on with your bigoted tirades about all the problems immigrants cause and how they never should have left in the first place.

Unbelievable, really.

[calgarybornnraised]

A sample of 68 cases is 86%?
Cherry pick much?

I think I could find a stat like that for every race.

[nik-]

look at all you guys getting trolled by QuincyEgg. Have you not learned by now? This is his shtick.

[FlamesAddiction]

Gotta love the response from Kuwait. They basically say it is not fair for them to have to be burdened with refugees that are "different from them" and have "psychological trauma".

https://videopress.com/v/Eb7FsJTl

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jesus man, do you have no empathy for people? I'm not sitting here pretending I'm one of those people with all sorts of empathy and declaring we should let them all in. But I do have some empathy. There are likely many violent criminals mixed in with the thousands of refugees seeking safety, and so they need to be processed.

If you are staring down the barrel of an AK-47 in your own country, WTF would you do? Travel to the consulate, fill out papers, pay the fees, wait the year or two until an asylum country accepts you? The reality is there is a refugee crisis. The Western countries ARE going to accept refugees. The question is who will accept how many. Not are we going to accept them at all.

A few points:

- many of the refugees are being held in Turkey, a wealthy country and a member of NATO. These people are safe already.

- all of the people leaving Turkey are seeking better economic opportunities, not safety.

- they are being smuggled by criminals in sub-standard conditions.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You make it sound like the refugees started the war, so they don't have the right to a good safe life. They didn't choose to be born into a place where war and violence erupted.

Having said that, there are conflicts globally. Canada realistically can't just accept every refugee from every conflict. It's not an easy subject, especially when death tolls are rising.

Here is a good start. It is a citizen's responsibility to help those in need.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/englisH/resourc...nsor/index.asp

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by peter12

A few points:

- many of the refugees are being held in Turkey, a wealthy country and a member of NATO. These people are safe already.

- all of the people leaving Turkey are seeking better economic opportunities, not safety.

- they are being smuggled by criminals in sub-standard conditions.

So, your point?

[polak]

Nothing against immigration (I immigrated here with my parents), but current unemployment trends should be taken into account when distributing any refugees that Canada takes in. How does the current system work?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So, your point?

The so-called crisis, and the clamour for a disproportionate response is more sentimental right now than anything.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by peter12

A few points:

- many of the refugees are being held in Turkey, a wealthy country and a member of NATO. These people are safe already.

- all of the people leaving Turkey are seeking better economic opportunities, not safety.

- they are being smuggled by criminals in sub-standard conditions.