National Post: ISIS and Rape

[northcrunk]

The profile of the typical IS fighter coming from a western country is "lonely, masterbator, watches a lot of internet porn, nerdy" Seems like the horny loners who can't get a sniff go there to get their rocks off on kids. These guys all need to die, every last one. We can't let one of them survive if we get boots on the ground.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Current Islam is clearly worse than current Christianity, yes. Some of from text, most from culture. You simply cannot attribute these violent acts to the texts as all the major religions have violent texts (though clearly some more than others). There was a time when Christianity and Judaism were very violent religions too. The culture shapes the interpretation of a very contradictory text. The central belief amongst religions (with a some exceptions I'll grant you) is that human morality is second to that of a supreme being out beings. It's that core belief that forces them to suspend humanity and carry out inhumane acts.

Why mention Judaism at all? You must go back 2,000 years. Might as well bring up the Inca and Aztecs, they are more relevant.

Human morality is certainly not second to that of a supreme being in all religions, period. Please stop with that.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm confused what your saying here. Does not the very condition of not being a theist have something to do with theism?

Nothing confusing...being an atheist does not preclude you from being religious. Atheist and theist are basic opposites, but religion does not fit in there.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

A single religion is responsible for the worst of acts perpetrated today. Yes. I'm specifically responding to Blankalls post about "has nothing to do with religion". I should have been more clear. I agree in some sense that it doesn't have to do specifically with the texts (though they're the tool here) but resurvey the bigger issue at play where a person's inherent humanity is displaced or censored by an imagined and reinforced one (religion).

I believe it has everything to do with religion and it also has everything to do with being lied to and undereducated. Humans are not perfect, we clearly succumb to deception easily. Regardless, it does not mean all religion is bad, nor does religion require a god.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

In fact, that means I totally disagree with what he said, but my messaging was very confusing

I disagree with him as well. Religion as a tool has been used to create an army. It does not get much clearer than this.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm not so sure Jesus (the guy who invented Christianity) ever said anything about rape being OK.

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Compared to other religious texts, it's a quick and easy read. It's not at all inscrutable - this is not a molecular biology textbook we're talking about here. I recommend it to you for perspective on these topics.

yes like all ancient texts a quick read makes you an expert.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

What is an "expert" and what level of "expertise" does one need to be able to discuss the plain words on a page?

[normtwofinger]

I see a lot of statements in this thread about scripture without quotes to back them up.

[northcrunk]

I have a hard time believing Jesus started Christianity considering it wasn't even an official religeon until Constantine was on his death bed around 400 a.d.e

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I have a hard time believing Jesus started Christianity considering it wasn't even an official religeon until Constantine was on his death bed around 400 a.d.e

Well, Christians believe Jesus was the Christ, hence the term Christian. Followers of Christ.

In fact, Jesus told Peter to start his church after he dies. So yes, Jesus started it, Peter continued it.

"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Quick internet search also didn't yield anything about Jesus condoning rape of infidels.

[chemgear]

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=33085923

Before her death earlier this year, American hostage Kayla Mueller was repeatedly raped by the top leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, according to counter-terrorism officials.

Mueller's family confirmed to ABC News that government officials have told them that their daughter, who would have turned 27 today, was the victim of repeated sexual assaults by al-Baghdadi.

"We were told Kayla was tortured, that she was the property of al-Baghdadi. We were told that in June by the government," Kayla's parents, Carl and Marsha Mueller, told ABC News today.

The new revelations about Mueller's long ordeal -- which involved torture since the beginning of her one-and-a-half years of captivity, her family has been told by the FBI -- shatter rumors spread by some officials that she had cooperated or was a willing spouse, which has deeply upset her family and many inside her case.

[WCW Nitro]

I have zero doubt that isis is raping women, but these stories have me raising my eyebrow a bit. Would an isis fighter really go through the trouble of explaining his actions just before raping a woman? I'm sure they explain their actions to their followers, but I find it a bit hard to believe that they would feel they owe an explanation to the victim. And the timing of it seems a bit convenient too with the story breaking a couple of days ago that Ban Ki Moon would start naming countries involved in sexual abuse during peacekeeping missions.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-in-our-system

"Taking aim at “a cancer in our system,” the UN secretary general has announced he intends to start naming and shaming countries whose troops and police serving in UN peacekeeping missions face credible accusations of sexual abuse and exploitation.

It was one of several measures Ban Ki-moon announced in a special UN security council meeting a day after he took the unprecedented move of firing the head of the peacekeeping mission in the Central African Republic over the handling of dozens of misconduct allegations. The latest, brought on Tuesday by Amnesty International against the mission’s police officers, included the indiscriminate killing of a teen and his father and the rape of a 12-year-old girl.

Ban said the issue of sexual abuse and exploitation by peacekeepers is not limited to one mission. He also met on Thursday with the heads of all 16 peacekeeping missions, which have well over 100,000 troops, police and others in countries from Haiti to Congo, a record number."

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

I have zero doubt that isis is raping women, but these stories have me raising my eyebrow a bit. Would an isis fighter really go through the trouble of explaining his actions just before raping a woman? I'm sure they explain their actions to their followers, but I find it a bit hard to believe that they would feel they owe an explanation to the victim. And the timing of it seems a bit convenient too with the story breaking a couple of days ago that Ban Ki Moon would start naming countries involved in sexual abuse during peacekeeping missions.

There's this weird disconnect here because this seems to be what they think is best about their whole project - the videos they put out of destroying artifacts or decapitating people or raping captives is like an advertisment of their project to the world. We can't connect with why anyone would think that this actually reflects well on them but they seem to believe it.

[terminator]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Quick internet search also didn't yield anything about Jesus condoning rape of infidels.

But jesus does say I'm going to hell because I don't believe in him....... and the bible does state all non-believers must be killed......

I'm not seeing any nature of progression here?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by terminator

But jesus does say I'm going to hell because I don't believe in him....... and the bible does state all non-believers must be killed......

I'm not seeing any nature of progression here?

The term 'bible' is very broad.

I'm no biblical scholar, but Jesus certainly did not teach anything about killing non-believers, I can assure you that. The old testamant may have provisions in there for killing non believers, but not in the new testament. And the new testament are Jesus' teachings.