[Rumour] should we be worried?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

http://www.letsgobruins.net/2015/06/...six-year-deal/

Bruins offered him $5.5 and Hamilton countered with $7.5.

I think the only way this contract is under $6 million is if it's a two year bridge.

I'd guess around $7 million on a longer term contract if we are throwing out guesses.

Yep, I think we should be prepared to see around $7mil a year, hopefully over 7 years.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would like to go the full 8 years with Hamilton around $6.5M. If we do that we must be prepared for similar contracts with the likes of Johnny, Monahan, Bennett

I was trumpeting eight years yesterday and someone pointed out that because he wasn't Flames property this past season the max we can offer him is seven years.

[JurassicTunga12]

it will be 7 years at around 6 to 6.5m. We'll be over the moon if it's under 6m obviously. lol.

[ricosuave]

Lets just say, it wouldnt surprise me, but I am fairly confident that our good news will come before Wednesday. I would think that if we were not allowed to speak with him and his agent prior to July 1st, no one else can either now that we own his rights.

I think Treliving and co have a pretty good grasp of the situation, and all of the nuances and theories out there as well and are working and making it happen accordingly.

#trustintreliving

[Travis Munroe]

Every single scenario is a win for the flames.
- Signs to a deal the flames wanted before free agency
- Is qualified by the flames and offers start rolling in which would mean
1) The flames match a offer similar to what they were offering him already
2) The flames traded 1 1st round pick and 2 2nds for 2 1sts, 1 2nd and 1 3rd
3) The flames traded 1 first round pick and 2 2nds for 4 1st round picks

Obviously we all want to see him in a flames jersey at a reasonable dollar figure next year but if not, Treliving & Burke pulled off 1 hell of a stunt on draft day.

[Bingo Jr.]

Does anyone else rather have Hamilton then the picks?

[Swayze11]

I think there is a big misunderstanding when it comes to offer sheets. Hamilton needs to put pen to paper on an offer sheet from another team. It would be a really poor move on his part to do that when some team just traded for you. That kind of move could really hurt him long term in his career. BT will give him some kind of more then fair contract.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I think there is a big misunderstanding when it comes to offer sheets. Hamilton needs to put pen to paper on an offer sheet from another team. It would be a really poor move on his part to do that when some team just traded for you. That kind of move could really hurt him long term in his career. BT will give him some kind of more then fair contract.

Why would it hurt his career long term? He has no need to be loyal to a team that acquired him through trade a few days ago. Signing an offer sheet would mean he'd be locked in for 7 years at a price that he'd be happy with. Do you think any teams would care what he did 7 years ago when he is looking for a new deal? They'll only be looking at his body of work over that 7 years.

I'm confident that we'll sign him, but I don't think he'll ignore an offer sheet because of how it'll affect his ability to get a contract he wants 7 years from now.

[Yrebmi]

Not expecting it, but just for asking

is the
1st,2nd,3rd of 2016 + 1st 2017 of greater value than 1st,2nd,2nd of 2015?

Obviously a lot depends on the position of the picks, but just trying to see if there is any way we lose on this with 2015 being such a supposed good draft year.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Why would it hurt his career long term? He has no need to be loyal to a team that acquired him through trade a few days ago. Signing an offer sheet would mean he'd be locked in for 7 years at a price that he'd be happy with. Do you think any teams would care what he did 7 years ago when he is looking for a new deal? They'll only be looking at his body of work over that 7 years.

I'm confident that we'll sign him, but I don't think he'll ignore an offer sheet because of how it'll affect his ability to get a contract he wants 7 years from now.

It makes you look like a spoiled brat. The Flames would match almost any offer sheet he signs. It would be very bad in the room (look at Ryan O'Reilly). He doesn't need to be loyal but it's just bad optics on his part.

Maybe he's a greedy kid that doesn't care but I just don't feel it would be a good move on his part.

[Red Menace]

It didn't hurt Joe Sakic's career.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Not expecting it, but just for asking

is the
1st,2nd,3rd of 2016 + 1st 2017 of greater value than 1st,2nd,2nd of 2015?

Obviously a lot depends on the position of the picks, but just trying to see if there is any way we lose on this with 2015 being such a supposed good draft year.

I'd say 2015 has more value but like you said it depends on the position of the picks.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

It makes you look like a spoiled brat. The Flames would match almost any offer sheet he signs. It would be very bad in the room (look at Ryan O'Reilly). He doesn't need to be loyal but it's just bad optics on his part.

Maybe he's a greedy kid that doesn't care but I just don't feel it would be a good move on his part.

Why does it make you look any more spoiled then any other player who tries to get paid more during contract negotiations?

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Why does it make you look any more spoiled then any other player who tries to get paid more during contract negotiations?

A team has invested significantly into you, the team shows great promise and you just tell them off and go elsewhere. I'm really not sure how you don't see it.

[pacde]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

A team has invested significantly into you, the team shows great promise and you just tell them off and go elsewhere. I'm really not sure how you don't see it.

I dont see it either. Its a business for him too, if I were him, I think I might wait unless I really really wanted to be a Flame which might be true if I played here last year, but I didnt and I know nothing about this team or any other (except the Bruins) so why not just wait it out?

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

A team has invested significantly into you, the team shows great promise and you just tell them off and go elsewhere. I'm really not sure how you don't see it.

Offer sheets are larger displays of poor management than poor judgement from a player. You can't fault a player for signing some ridiculous offer from a bad GM.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

A team has invested significantly into you, the team shows great promise and you just tell them off and go elsewhere. I'm really not sure how you don't see it.

Who did he tell off? If the scenario unfolded this way, he'd receive a contract offer and he'd sign it rather then accepting an offer from us that would presumably be a lesser offer. It's business, not being a spoiled brat. He'd also be signed to a huge long-term deal and wouldn't have to worry about contract negotiations for a long while.

[pacde]

One thing that Im sure of, the Flames knew the risk as much as the Bruins feared it so Im very sure they are prepared for it. Im just curious what the point is where they just take the picks or they match should an OS come

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Who did he tell off? If the scenario unfolded this way, he'd receive a contract offer and he'd sign it rather then accepting an offer from us that would presumably be a lesser offer. It's business, not being a spoiled brat. He'd also be signed to a huge long-term deal and wouldn't have to worry about contract negotiations for a long while.

Except I believe Flames will definitely be pushing to sign him for at least 5 years. He is most definitely a generational player.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Except I believe Flames will definitely be pushing to sign him for at least 5 years. He is most definitely a generational player.

I believe that too. I'm sure we had a good idea what it would take to get this thing done and we'll do it. Generational is a bit too strong of a word though.

The debate was more just a 'what if' scenario that likely won't play out anyway.

[Blarg]

I wouldn't be worried about signing Hamilton. I would be worried about signing a big contract and pissing off Brodie and Gio