06-15-2015, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
LOL. You're delusional.
Question. How much should Phil Kessel be getting given he's been UFA eligible and put up the stats he has?
Phil Kessel will bring back a first rounder+ a nice prospect easy.
And those teams mean little. If the Leafs present him with a chance to go elsewhere, like say in Florida, it does not mean he says no.
A guy who can get PPG with Boxak as his centre in this era will not have to be "Given Away".
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Show me a team that gives up a 1st and a good young prospect and I'll show you a team in need of a new GM within a year.
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06-15-2015, 04:10 PM
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#42
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Originally Posted by T@T
Show me a team that gives up a 1st and a good young prospect and I'll show you a team in need of a new GM within a year.
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So David Perron fetches a first but not Phil Kessel. WTF?
You guys are really undervsalueing Phil Kessel. 9th in NHl points the last 5 years with Bozak as his Centrre. 0 games missed in 6 years. But maybe a second rounder for him?
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06-15-2015, 04:12 PM
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#43
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Uncle Chester
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Don't ever change BigTuna.
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06-15-2015, 04:14 PM
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#44
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Originally Posted by BigTuna
So Perron fetches a first but not Phil Kessel. WTF?
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Perron doesn't make $8m for the next century...it's not rocket science.
Unless you feel you can win and build a team around him he's not worth it. And he has shown the last few years you can't.
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06-15-2015, 04:16 PM
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#45
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First Line Centre
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Prospect and a first seems like it would be pretty standard for him. They retain some and the cost would go up. Did not know he hasn't missed a game in 6 years. That is amazing.
He's clearly way more in shape than his body type suggests. Or it really is the medication.
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06-15-2015, 04:16 PM
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#46
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
LOL. You're delusional.
Question. How much should Phil Kessel be getting given he's been UFA eligible and put up the stats he has?
Phil Kessel will bring back a first rounder+ a nice prospect easy.
And those teams mean little. If the Leafs present him with a chance to go elsewhere, like say in Florida, it does not mean he says no.
A guy who can get PPG with Boxak as his centre in this era will not have to be "Given Away".
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Why do you continually just ignore the contract that comes with the "stats he has"...in every single conversation on this board?
That contract is probably a bigger aspect on the return than anything he has done "stats" wise, yet you never even consider it.
Kessel might get dealt, but the return will not be anything over the top especially if he doesn't expand that list.
I can actually see him staying in TO though as it's entirely possible no one wants to give up assets for 7 years of 8 million per, and the Leafs shouldn't be giving him away as he is still young enough to help them in 3 years when they hope to compete again.
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06-15-2015, 04:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
So David Perron fetches a first but not Phil Kessel. WTF?
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$3.8M for a year and a half versus $8M for 7 more years.
He also scored 28 goals the previous year, FWIW, which is more than Kessel this year.
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06-15-2015, 04:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
You guys are really undervsalueing Phil Kessel. 9th in NHl points the last 5 years with Bozak as his Centrre. 0 games missed in 6 years. But maybe a second rounder for him?
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then keep him
the comparable to what you are trying to do is us saying : "A 3rd rounder for Mason Raymond? A 3rd rounder is unlikely to ever produce as much as Raymond. No? WTF? You have no idea, you should be grateful all we're asking for him is a 3rd rounder. You must give us a 3rd rounder for him! You must!"
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06-15-2015, 05:01 PM
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Regardless of certain downside, kessel with Crosby or Malkin would be deadly.
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06-15-2015, 05:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
So David Perron fetches a first but not Phil Kessel. WTF?
You guys are really undervsalueing Phil Kessel. 9th in NHl points the last 5 years with Bozak as his Centrre. 0 games missed in 6 years. But maybe a second rounder for him?
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His contract and term make him hard to trade. What GM out here is going to take a risk on a player that is getting 8mill and have 7 years left?
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06-15-2015, 05:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
So David Perron fetches a first but not Phil Kessel. WTF?
You guys are really undervsalueing Phil Kessel. 9th in NHl points the last 5 years with Bozak as his Centrre. 0 games missed in 6 years. But maybe a second rounder for him?
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Yeah but last year he was top 4 in nhl scoring over the past 5 years. I know because that was like your catchphrase.
He's slipping!
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06-15-2015, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dion
His contract and term make him hard to trade. What GM out here is going to take a risk on a player that is getting 8mill and have 7 years left?
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What risk? With Kessel you know what you get. He scores with anyone and never misses a game.
He's worth the contract.
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06-15-2015, 05:20 PM
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#53
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
$3.8M for a year and a half versus $8M for 7 more years.
He also scored 28 goals the previous year, FWIW, which is more than Kessel this year.
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Yes because one is so much better than the other. Teams don't mind paying for elite talent.
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06-15-2015, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99;5330644[B
]Why do you continually just ignore the contract that comes with the "stats he has"...in every single conversation on this board?
[/B]That contract is probably a bigger aspect on the return than anything he has done "stats" wise, yet you never even consider it.
Kessel might get dealt, but the return will not be anything over the top especially if he doesn't expand that list.
I can actually see him staying in TO though as it's entirely possible no one wants to give up assets for 7 years of 8 million per, and the Leafs shouldn't be giving him away as he is still young enough to help them in 3 years when they hope to compete again.
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Because stats=contract. Do you not get that?
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06-15-2015, 05:32 PM
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Fearmongerer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
Because stats=contract. Do you not get that?
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Wow...now I know you have no idea, I used to just suspect it.
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06-15-2015, 05:42 PM
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#56
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Wow...now I know you have no idea, I used to just suspect it.
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He deserves 8 million. Teams don't mind paying a guy as talented as he is.
He's getting a first+ a nice prospect,. And not a centre will be eaten by the Leafs. Guaranteed.
It's laughable hearing people think no one wants him.
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06-15-2015, 05:48 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
He deserves 8 million. Teams don't mind paying a guy as talented as he is.
He's getting a first+ a nice prospect,. And not a centre will be eaten by the Leafs. Guaranteed.
It's laughable hearing people think no one wants him.
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No one here has been saying no one wants him. People are saying the whole of his contract is too much coupled with the limited teams the Leafs can negotiate with is going to limit the return.
All the stats, the secondary tangibles like durability mean little when few teams can take the term of his contract, and it doesn't sound like he's adaptable to changing the teams he is willing to go to. Not many are disputing his worth of 8m a season.
My own thoughts tell me a Kessel deal has to involve a decent roster player and a mid round pick. Not a first. and not a prospect, they still have to ice a team somehow. Not many UFA's are going to go to the Leafs when the team approach appears to be scorched earth.
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06-15-2015, 05:52 PM
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Fearmongerer
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The fact you believe that contracts are based solely on "stats" says it all.
Jonathon Toews will be paid 10.5 million dollars next year (and rightfully so).....and its not cause of his point totals.
In your world, Jiri Hudler should be North of 11 million...cause....stats.
And its true, many teams might like to have a Kessell skill set on their team....but guess what? many cannot afford it and many more don't want to be saddled with 7 years of it. You still cant wrap your brain around that so therefore its moot discussing any of it with you.
Oh...and if contracts are based solely on stats...wanna explain one Dion Phaneufs deal for me?
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06-15-2015, 05:58 PM
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#59
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Not a casual user
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigTuna
He deserves 8 million. Teams don't mind paying a guy as talented as he is.
He's getting a first+ a nice prospect,. And not a centre will be eaten by the Leafs. Guaranteed.
It's laughable hearing people think no one wants him.
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Just because the Leafs overpaid Kessel doesn't mean he's worth that much.
Nobody wants his term. Can you not understand it handcuffs a teams ability to trade a player? Just ask the Nucks and the trouble they had trading Luongo.
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06-15-2015, 06:00 PM
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Stupid auto correct on the title... Not intended as a joke regarding someone's weight as to rub the ultra-politicaly correct group out there, the wrong way...
The guys were also talking g about Phaneuf being gone by the draft or at latest training camp.
But aim is this draft so they can jump start the rebuild immediately.
Noodles was saying that even though "no one likes him" you can't deny he's a good hockey player..
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