05-22-2015, 11:12 AM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
... The CFL does something similar. X number of players need to be Canadian.
Our government just happens to not be bat #### insane and they stay out of stuff as trivial as sports leagues. The notion however, is nothing new.
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How is this similar? Right or wrong this creates opportunities for Canadian players - it doesn't limit them.
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05-22-2015, 11:26 AM
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#42
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by the2bears
How is this similar? Right or wrong this creates opportunities for Canadian players - it doesn't limit them.
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That's fair but it's still a stipulation.
Russia is just insane.
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05-22-2015, 12:05 PM
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#43
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My face is a bum!
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Originally Posted by CanadaMatt
If it was happening in reverse, and Crosby/McDavid were jumping ship to play in the KHL, I imagine you'd hear the same calls from influential Canadian Hockey folks.
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Soccer is a better example.
If we had a bunch of Canadians jumping ship from the MLS to the EPL , La Liga or the Bundesliga, I'd be pretty ecstatic.
I'd rather our players be playing in the best leagues in the world. Watch them when they're young and upcoming, wave goodbye when they get good enough, and look forward to the international competitions.
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05-22-2015, 12:05 PM
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#44
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by polak
That's fair but it's still a stipulation.
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The KHL already has stipulations limiting non-Russians. And it's completely unrelated to preventing Russian players from leaving the country.
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05-22-2015, 12:18 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Pretty sure lots of Canadians would be up in arms if the country's top young athletes were heading overseas to play in another league. Most people are all for the free market until it hurts their own interests.
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Ever seen a CFL draft? All the truly top Canadian football prospects rarely get picked in the first round because teams know they intend to exhaust their NFL opportunities. I don't see Canadian fans up in arms as who would want to stand in the way of a Canadian bettering his career?
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05-22-2015, 12:29 PM
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#46
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Hypocrite.
How do they plan to enforce it, anyway?
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Stupid yes, hypocritical no. Fetisov came to North America at age 31, had he come to North America at 27 then he would be a hypocrite.
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05-22-2015, 12:29 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
How is that a problem? Maximizing on your ability and making money off of that is a bad thing? They still represent their countries.
This would be like saying Canadian hockey players can only play for Canadian teams till their 28. How stupid does that sound?
Canada sees it fair share of athletes go abroad and make good money there.
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Pretty much. Its stupid because the guy wants the government to make it illegal for an adult of consenting age to work somewhere else. I have no problem if the KHL or the Russian hockey federation restricts guys who do play overseas to play for their league, as that's all within their rights. But once you get the government involved? That's dumb.
Imagine if Canada all of sudden started churning out soccer stars, and they made it illegal for them to play in Europe because they want them in the MLS. How stupid would that look for the Canadian government?
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05-22-2015, 12:29 PM
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#48
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Crash and Bang Winger
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And a lot of the best Canadians already do play abroad in the USA. Same league but every spring we hear of the Canadians Stanley Cup drought.
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05-22-2015, 12:40 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Ever seen a CFL draft? All the truly top Canadian football prospects rarely get picked in the first round because teams know they intend to exhaust their NFL opportunities. I don't see Canadian fans up in arms as who would want to stand in the way of a Canadian bettering his career?
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There's a world of difference between seeing a player go to a league in a neighbouring country where every game is broadcast in your language, than see them go halfway around the world to play in a league you're unlikely to get any television coverage of, and if you do that coverage is in another language.
You're kidding yourself if you honestly don't think Canadians would be ticked off to see Crosby, Toews, Doughty, Price, etc. play in Russia, where we could watch maybe one game a week on a specialty euro sports channel, broadcast at 3 am in Russian.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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05-22-2015, 12:45 PM
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#50
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by CanadaMatt
what a well thought out and reasoned repose.
This is a problem, not just for hockey, but all sports where the best young players from country X leave to chase big $$ and fame in the best leagues in the world. Football (Soccer) being the biggest example. If it was happening in reverse, and Crosby/McDavid were jumping ship to play in the KHL, I imagine you'd hear the same calls from influential Canadian Hockey folks.
The onus is certainly on Russia to make their product attractive, but the free market advantages those that currently have the power/brand...which is why it would be difficult for the KHL to ever compete with the NHL for talent on a regular basis.
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It is happening here, what are you talking about? How many Canadian players are playing in the US? Nobody is trying to end that so we can bring the Stanley Cup to Canada, is there? How are russians leaving their country any different?
It's ridiculous and Fetisov is hypocrite.
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05-22-2015, 01:28 PM
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#51
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
Stupid yes, hypocritical no. Fetisov came to North America at age 31, had he come to North America at 27 then he would be a hypocrite.
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His age at the time he made the NHL doesn't change the fact that he once fought against Soviet protectionists measures that restricted Russian players from moving abroad. Now he's trying to recreate similar restrictions.
Fetisov is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
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05-22-2015, 01:52 PM
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#52
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Has lived the dream!
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Where I lay my head is home...
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Misplaced nationalistic pride, pure an simple. As some of said this would probably go further towards hurting their national program than helping it in the long run.
Maybe instead of making new laws, and constantly being poor sports, it's up to Russia to make it's country and programs desirable instead of just whining and bullying it's neighbours. You know, build a good league through strong business practices and funding of it's sports programs. Pretty sure they still get lots of funding for hockey programs from Canada and the States. Yet they bitch and moan constantly. Build a good league, don't take shortcuts with the mob and a handful of dictator like autocrats.
But that's been Russia's MO since Putin has been in charge. Blind nationalistic pride, while falling down all the same economic traps that Communism brought about. Besides a handful of amazingly rich oligarchs things have been moving backwards for some time. Kinda sad, I thought after the wall fell and union broke, having good leaders like Gorbachev and Yeltsin, Russia might become the new Japan or Germany. Former foes who become a economic leader again, but as a true world partner this time.
Sadly, Putin has completely flipped and torpedoed that possibility.
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05-22-2015, 01:56 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
There's a world of difference between seeing a player go to a league in a neighbouring country where every game is broadcast in your language, than see them go halfway around the world to play in a league you're unlikely to get any television coverage of, and if you do that coverage is in another language.
You're kidding yourself if you honestly don't think Canadians would be ticked off to see Crosby, Toews, Doughty, Price, etc. play in Russia, where we could watch maybe one game a week on a specialty euro sports channel, broadcast at 3 am in Russian.
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Yes they would. But the anger would be directed toward the NHL for letting the league falter to the point that good players would head to another country to play.
And if all good Canadian players went over to play in Russia... they would start broadcasting games here in English... just like in soccer where we can watch games from all the good leagues in English. If there's a market for it someone is going to show it.
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05-22-2015, 02:00 PM
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#54
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#1 Goaltender
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Russia is a corrupt craphole. Putin is the criminal in charge of said craphole. Feitsov is a cronie of the craphole leader.
There is a good documentary on the fifth estate about how putin came into power. Well worth the watch and how he weaseled his way into power and cemented it.
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05-22-2015, 03:03 PM
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#55
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Haifa, Israel
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The article got it all wrong. Or, at least, Russian media report it very differently. Fetisov suggested a change to the KHL rules that a player can not be UFA until he is 28. He can only be RFA, and as such, according to Fetisov, can not leave KHL. This change, that has nothing to do with federal law, will affect both Russian players and foreign players in KHL.
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05-22-2015, 03:21 PM
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#56
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Pointman
The article got it all wrong. Or, at least, Russian media report it very differently. Fetisov suggested a change to the KHL rules that a player can not be UFA until he is 28. He can only be RFA, and as such, according to Fetisov, can not leave KHL. This change, that has nothing to do with federal law, will affect both Russian players and foreign players in KHL.
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Wouldn't surprise me if Russian media purposely reported it differently. You could be right, but I highly doubt the Globe and Mail would get a fact that big, wrong.
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05-22-2015, 04:39 PM
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#58
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointman
The article got it all wrong. Or, at least, Russian media report it very differently. Fetisov suggested a change to the KHL rules that a player can not be UFA until he is 28. He can only be RFA, and as such, according to Fetisov, can not leave KHL. This change, that has nothing to do with federal law, will affect both Russian players and foreign players in KHL.
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I was wondering how you would spin this, but you are ultimately arguing semantics.
Stating that a RFA - someone without a contract - is not permitted to leave the KHL is exactly the same thing as what is being reported.
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05-22-2015, 07:26 PM
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#59
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Russia has to be one of the most emotionally insecure countries ever. They take this stuff way too seriously, it's a fricken GAME! Fascists like Fetisov just don't get it, you shouldn't restrict people's rights ever, but especially over a game. If the KHL was good enough, their national heroes might want to play there, unfortunately it's a second rate league that limits their opportunities. So instead of fixing the fundamental issues of your flawed hockey league that causes players to leave, you want to force people into playing there? Here's an idea, bring your country into the 21st century already and actually build your league up so it's not just a house of cards and you won't need to force anyone to do anything, they'll WANT to stay. (I realize the collapsing ruble is mostly to blame, but you can chalk THAT up to ding dong Russian nationalism... so similar BS).
Seriously feel sorry for the people that live there, what a steaming pile of #### their government is.
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05-22-2015, 07:50 PM
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#60
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Calgary
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At times like this, I always ask myself "what would Stalin do?" Pretty much can't go wrong that way...
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