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Old 08-19-2005, 06:21 PM   #41
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Well they were saying two years ago that we could crack a dollar a litre, so I guess it could be a lot worse. What can you do though really? Suck it up and pay the price. It isn't feasible for everyone to stop buying gas and ride their bikes everywhere.



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Old 08-19-2005, 09:14 PM   #42
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Well they were saying two years ago that we could crack a dollar a litre, so I guess it could be a lot worse. What can you do though really? Suck it up and pay the price. It isn't feasible for everyone to stop buying gas and ride their bikes everywhere.



Or is it?
People should start living closer to where they work.
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Old 08-21-2005, 02:49 PM   #43
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Old 08-21-2005, 03:25 PM   #44
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Gas prices are high for a few reasons. I spent 4 months learning about this stuff and i can finally put it to use, so hang on

1) the price of Oil. For companies, the price of oil is the biggest variable and cost. Most of the rest of the costs (ie: work force, deprecation, infrastructure) are fixed, Oil is not. As the world market pushes the price higher, companies need to charge more at the pumps to ensure the increased cost is revenue neutral

2) GST. GST is the only governement tax that varries with the cost of the fuel. The rest of the taxes (excise taxes if i recall correctly) are charged at a fixed, per liter basis. So as the price of oil causes companies to charge more, the GST you pay also climbs and the price os gas become more expensive. I don't really want to comment one way or another on how i feel about this role of the GST, but i'll pass along this, the revenue from the GST and federal excise tax are being returned to cities now to help with infrastructure and improve tranist.

Those two are the major problems and causes of why pump prices are pretty high. Another problem is demand for fuel and gas in North America and around the world (China and India are driving it big time) is that there is a set # of refineries and you can't just set one up over night. It takes about 8-10yrs for one to come online and, as most refineries the world over are currently operating at max capacity there is a limited supply of refined petroleum products.

With high demand and a limited supply, price climbs. This is yet another reason prices are high and a contributer to the high price of oil in the world.

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Old 08-21-2005, 04:57 PM   #45
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Like everything else, fuel price is set by supply and demand. The problem is the demand curve for gasoline isn't much of a curve.

However, I get a kick out of all the complaining. I walk 20 minutes to work. If I need to go to the mall I take the bus or train. Now while bus tickets have gone up a nickel and a plane ticket back home has gone up $5... I'm not feeling it as much as most people are.

I keep telling people that there is an easy way around this. You can use public transportation. You can buy a hybrid vehicle. You can take car pool. Ottawa has these beautiful bike paths so you can cycle everywhere without having to venture out into traffic.... but it's so much easier to complain and ask the government to fix the problem.

I may purchase a hydrogen vehicle if/when they become available... I hate having to depend of friends when I want to go to Algonquin park for the weekend to go canoeing... but until such time, meh, don't have much of a need for one.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:20 PM   #46
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Its bad... but really, its not that bad...

I have a Sunfire, and I fuel up maybe three times a month, if that...

so instead of being $35 a fill up at 70c a litre, its $40 at 95c... so I lose $15 more than normal, thats not even a night out... it really shouldn't be breaking anyone's bank.
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Old 08-21-2005, 05:27 PM   #47
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Its bad... but really, its not that bad...

I have a Sunfire, and I fuel up maybe three times a month, if that...

so instead of being $35 a fill up at 70c a litre, its $40 at 95c... so I lose $15 more than normal, thats not even a night out... it really shouldn't be breaking anyone's bank.
It is if you own a snowmobile! I get about 100 miles out of $40. I might have to stop snowmobiling because it has gotten so bad. I go at least 100 miles every trip I make.
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Old 08-21-2005, 06:19 PM   #48
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Originally posted by MJK+Aug 21 2005, 05:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MJK @ Aug 21 2005, 05:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunderball@Aug 21 2005, 11:20 PM
Its bad... but really, its not that bad...

I have a Sunfire, and I fuel up maybe three times a month, if that...

so instead of being $35 a fill up at 70c a litre, its $40 at 95c... so I lose $15 more than normal, thats not even a night out... it really shouldn't be breaking anyone's bank.
It is if you own a snowmobile! I get about 100 miles out of $40. I might have to stop snowmobiling because it has gotten so bad. I go at least 100 miles every trip I make. [/b][/quote]
Well, I can see it taking a toll on recreational usage...

I'm complaining about the people who complain about their everyday drive. It reminds me of the University students who complain about high tuition, yet spend a lot of money every friday and saturday getting as drunk as possible at the local bar, sometimes even wearing those "Rich Province-Poor Student" T-Shirts. People like that bother me.
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Old 08-21-2005, 07:23 PM   #49
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HEY NOW! I resemble that comment! Seriously though, I can get hammered on a $20 bill at the AlCove on Fridays. So it's not THAT bad. And I don't own one of those t-shirts.
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