Random thought: Is there going to be mutual interest between the Flames and Mike Gree

[Mister Yamoto]

I really liked what the Islanders did. Picked up Leddy and Boychuk for picks and prospects at the end of training camp.

I'd like to see the Flames not do much on July 1 but go into camp with a few spots open. Then Treliving can "help" another GM get under the cap.

Boychuk for two 2nds and a 3rd. Imagine what he would have been worth on trade deadline day.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I really liked what the Islanders did. Picked up Leddy and Boychuk for picks and prospects at the end of training camp.

I'd like to see the Flames not do much on July 1 but go into camp with a few spots open. Then Treliving can "help" another GM get under the cap.

Boychuk for two 2nds and a 3rd. Imagine what he would have been worth on trade deadline day.

If we all had known the Flames would have acquired the extra 2nd and 3rd round picks they did, it would have been an easy call! Flames could easily have matched the isles offer on both guys. Hindsight is 20/20.

[JohnnyB]

I don't want the Flames to change from what they've been doing, which is creating opportunities for young guys and developing them into good players.

The failing of the Flames in the past was trading away picks/youth and paying for established guys to fill roster spots. Continuing that way would never have seen guys like Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennet or Ferland playing the roles they have. This year has been more successful than expected, but that shouldn't change the new plan. It's still a rebuild.

[FireGilbert]

When I first took a quick look at this thread title I also though it was about some college or European UFA haha. Then this morning I looked at it again and something just clicked, oh they meant Mike Green!

Anyhow, the Flames do need to sign a UFA dman or two this off season. I'd be okay with Green being one of them as long as it was only a one year deal.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Right handed, can skate well and put up points. He's a natural fit for the way this team plays and last two seasons he's managed to play 70+ games. I would certainly kick the tires on him but it's going to come down to length of contract over money. I would have no issues paying him $5-6 million per year on a three year deal but longer than that not a chance. He's probably going to get some ridiculous 5-6 year deal from a desperate team so I don't feel there's much chance of him being a Flame unless he really wants to be one.

I was thinking 3 years and 3.5 per. He would be a number 5 guy in CGY.

I see him as an upgrade on Diaz.

[Enoch Root]

The problem I see with respect to Green is that we wouldn't get value for the money, due to the fact that we already have a lot of offense from the D.

Giving him PP time and getting his offensive numbers up to where they need to be in order to justify what he would cost would require taking that time - specifically PP time - away from other guys that are already effective in that role. So you're spending $5m+ in order to replace one offensive guy with another.

The Flames had more points from the D this year than any other team. It's the law of diminishing returns. If he was $2.5 - $3M, then sure - put on the 3rd pair and take what you get.

But spending $5m+ on the one thing we are already tops in the league at, is really short-sighted IMO.

Spend the money where we need the most help.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The problem I see with respect to Green is that we wouldn't get value for the money, due to the fact that we already have a lot of offense from the D.

Giving him PP time and getting his offensive numbers up to where they need to be in order to justify what he would cost would require taking that time - specifically PP time - away from other guys that are already effective in that role. So you're spending $5m+ in order to replace one offensive guy with another.

The Flames had more points from the D this year than any other team. It's the law of diminishing returns. If he was $2.5 - $3M, then sure - put on the 3rd pair and take what you get.

But spending $5m+ on the one thing we are already tops in the league at, is really short-sighted IMO.

Spend the money where we need the most help.

A little bit of smoke and mirrors as nearly every single defenseman had career years. Very unlikely the Flames are close to tops in this area next year. We are sure to see a decline next year from half or even all of them which will hurt the Flames seeing it was a catalyst for them. Getting Green would at least help them maintain what they had going this season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A little bit of smoke and mirrors as nearly every single defenseman had career years. Very unlikely the Flames are close to tops in this area next year. We are sure to see a decline next year from half or even all of them which will hurt the Flames seeing it was a catalyst for them. Getting Green would at least help them maintain what they had going this season.

Wideman had a career year. But even with that, he is more than capable of putting up good numbers, even if not quite as good as this year.

Giordano is not slowing down any time soon.

Brodie and Russell are still on the upswing in their careers.

Schlemko is capable of contributing too.

I don't think there is any reason at all to think that production from the D is going to drastically fall off next year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Wideman had a career year. But even with that, he is more than capable of putting up good numbers, even if not quite as good as this year.

Giordano is not slowing down any time soon.

Brodie and Russell are still on the upswing in their careers.

Schlemko is capable of contributing too.

I don't think there is any reason at all to think that production from the D is going to drastically fall off next year.

We have seen it with the Canucks all peaking at once 2011 that it's extremely hard to maintain career seasons especially when it's a group thing. I simply don't see Wideman matching this season's numbers nor do I see Giordano. All I know is if this unit slips next year they may end up being the team we thought they would be this season. I believe this is an area that needs to still be improved despite a solid overall season by the group.

[Jake]

I don't see why this is Green vs. Wideman.

To me the story is more Green vs. any of our bottom pairing D.... and in that sense he is an upgrade. I'd love to see him play for the Flames next season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jake

I don't see why this is Green vs. Wideman.

To me the story is more Green vs. any of our bottom pairing D.... and in that sense he is an upgrade. I'd love to see him play for the Flames next season.

So you would be okay with paying a bottom pairing Dman $5m or more

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Anyhow, the Flames do need to sign a UFA dman or two this off season. I'd be okay with Green being one of them as long as it was only a one year deal.

on what planet does Mike Green sign a one year deal? nonsense

[Mike F]

If the Flames were to pick up a Green, I'd rather it be Matt Greene from LA - he suits Calgary's needs a lot more than Mike Green.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We have seen it with the Canucks all peaking at once 2011 that it's extremely hard to maintain career seasons especially when it's a group thing. I simply don't see Wideman matching this season's numbers nor do I see Giordano. All I know is if this unit slips next year they may end up being the team we thought they would be this season. I believe this is an area that needs to still be improved despite a solid overall season by the group.

There's no reason to expect our defensemen will achieve less than these numbers next season(assuming 82 games):

Giordano 13g 40a 53p
Wideman 10g 35a 45p
Brodie 7g 33a 40p
Russell 5g 25a 30p

Total of 35 goals between the top 4, a totally reasonable expectation given what happened this year. Are these numbers really out of line? For the record I wouldn't be surprised if all four did better, but I think those are reasonable baseline expectations. Mike Green doesn't really have a spot on this team IMO. A guy like Zbynek Michalek is a much better target, but we might need to pony up.

[Major Major]

Green does not sign to play third pairing minutes. It's just not a fit I'm afraid. would've liked to see him here but I don't think it makes sense on his end.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Mike F

If the Flames were to pick up a Green, I'd rather it be Matt Greene from LA - he suits Calgary's needs a lot more than Mike Green.

Sorry, but yuck.

Slow, slow, slow, slow, slow.

He's terribly slow. Engelland is already our slow bruising bottom pair Dman who has proven an ability to play top 4 when needed.

If Smid comes back, he's slow too.

Our team thrives off of having mobility from the back end. Ideally you want mobile Dmen who are big and tough also, but if I have to choose between speed and size, I take speed 10 times out of 10.

[N-E-B]

It took me until the end of the first page to realize Mike Gree is not a random college player, but is in fact a typo for Mike Green...

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sorry, but yuck.

Our team thrives off of having mobility from the back end. Ideally you want mobile Dmen who are big and tough also, but if I have to choose between speed and size, I take speed 10 times out of 10.

Greene certainly isn't fast, but I don't think it's fair to say he's slow. And if he's good enough to play 16 minutes per night for the cup winning team last year, I don't know how you can say he's not good enough for the Flames.

Concentrating on one thing, speed, over anything else, to the extent of having no real size, lands you in a position like the Flames are in with Anaheim - no one in your top 4 capable of shutting down a top line of big, physical forwards. And no, as much as Engelland has stepped up in Gio's absence, he hasn't shown me the ability to play against the likes of Getzlaf and Backes effectively.

One of the things dragging down the Flames offense right now is the lingering effect of just one game against a team with punishing defensemen - LA at the end of the year. Calgary's D has shown no ability to play that type of game, which can sometimes be necessary.

[Erick Estrada]

Matt Greene is on the back end of his career and close to becoming a part time player. He was a warrior for the Kings over the years but he's molasses slow and not a good fit with the Flames.

[JohnnySkittles]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Matt Greene is on the back end of his career and close to becoming a part time player. He was a warrior for the Kings over the years but he's molasses slow and not a good fit with the Flames.

That's true, however the thread is about Washington Capitals Mike Green.