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Old 02-25-2016, 06:58 AM   #41
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I don't know how to post the link from my phone but I just read that they overturned Bantleman's acquittal and added a year on to his sentence. He now has to turn himself in again. Hopefully he finds a way out.
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Old 02-25-2016, 08:35 AM   #42
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Wow. Didn't expect that. Here's a link: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...d-in-indonesia

I'd be curious to see any reasons for the decision (if any are issued); also, the justification for the "extra" year?
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:29 AM   #43
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Personally when he was released last time, he should have said screw it and tried to get out of that country.

For everyone that was raking the conservatives about not helping this guy out, the Liberal's made some big promises to his family and they ended up in the same boat as the conservatives.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:31 AM   #44
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Does anyone have a link to a reliable article about what the evidence actually was? I'd like to find out more about this, but it seems there has been very little reporting about the actual evidence. I also understand some of the key evidence was sealed and not even provided to the defence, which by itself, if true, makes the conviction unjust.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:37 AM   #45
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There is an excellent 'The Fifth Estate' that aired a few months ago on it. It is shocking how this went down and the accused's Mother is crazy. You can find it online.
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Here is an interesting article on how the trial was a bit of a farce:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...ling-questions
Sounds like most of the evidence was presented behind closed doors, so you might not find what you want.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:40 AM   #47
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The Canadian governments only role should be to ensure a fair trial. From that article the evidence considered by the judge seems a little odd. But not considering letters stating the outstanding charactor or witnesses saying how great the guy is seems reasonable. Jerry Sandusky could have lined up witnesses a thousand strong to testify how great of guy he was.

At best these things are he said, she said in which case I tend to side with the kids.

It looks like only one of the victims families is suing the school per the article so it doesn't seem as unbelievable as the OP is making it out to be.

Realy hope the appeal can bring some closure to the issue.
Children are the worst witnesses as they are notoriously suggestible. I studied forensic psychology for a while in University, it's possible to put nearly any idea inside a childs head, even by accident.

Children will just make things up because they don't trust their memory and will just say whatever they feel will get them out of trouble if an adult was putting pressure on them.

If an adult is questioning a child seriously they will falsely accuse someone just to get the questioning to end because they aren't really sure what happened. A good lawyer would have the childs testimony picked apart by a forensic psychologist as that's the easiest way to discern trauma from confabulation. That case with how to make a murderer where Brandon was answering questions is what this looks like, or in the movie the Hunt.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:22 AM   #48
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Here is an interesting article on how the trial was a bit of a farce:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/wo...ling-questions
Sounds like most of the evidence was presented behind closed doors, so you might not find what you want.
Notice how its pretty thin on actual facts. I've been digging for something more substantial but haven't found anything. I'll try to find and watch that Fifth Estate show on the case.
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Personally when he was released last time, he should have said screw it and tried to get out of that country.

For everyone that was raking the conservatives about not helping this guy out, the Liberal's made some big promises to his family and they ended up in the same boat as the conservatives.
No kidding - I'd pay (or have my family do it) whoever I had to pay to get me on a ship or plane. It's not like it would have been hard to disappear in/from a corrupt country made up many, many islands...
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I'm not sure there is much that the Canadian government can do. If it was Mexico, Haiti, Cuba or some other country that Canada deals with, we would have a lot more influence. But Canada has very little sway or influence on Indonesia.

Also, if a Canadian freely chooses to work and live in a fascist country (some would even say Nazi-esque) like Indonesia, they need to accept that they are putting themselves in a position of danger.
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