At least a few of those RFAs won't be signed. Wouldn't shock me if Hanowski is only offered an AHL deal. I liked Elson at rookie camp but not sure if he has NHL upside either.
I see people make comments like this all the time, and it never makes any sense to me. There is absolutely no benefit to not signing these guys. None. We're not hurting for contract space, and so far none of these guys have shown signs of regression or any sort of locker-room/off-ice issues that would warrant the team cutting ties. Even if more than a few of these guys are long shots to making the NHL we still have an AHL team to fill out, and there's always a chance that one of them might take a huge step forward, even if that chance is very slim.
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Well that's interesting, I wonder why some sites list him as being from Arizona. He must have started playing seriously there when he was a kid? Or maybe it's just a preference thing for him?
He was born in Calgary but grew up in Arizona. His grandparents still live here and are Flames season ticket holders. When he was very young, the family moved to Phoenix and he continued playing youth hockey there.
There are a lot of sons of former NHLers who grew up in the Phoenix area who are now becoming NHL prospects. In addition to the already mentioned, Lemieux, the Hitmen goalie, Brendan Burke (Sean's son), grew up in Scottsdale. As did Henrik Samuelsson (Ulf's son).
When they get to a certain level, they have to move on to better junior programs. Lemieux went to the OHL. Burke, Samuelsson, and Carroll went to the WHL.
Here's a video I found last summer after he was drafted...
NSFW if you don't want your co-workers seeing you cry.
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I see people make comments like this all the time, and it never makes any sense to me. There is absolutely no benefit to not signing these guys. None. We're not hurting for contract space, and so far none of these guys have shown signs of regression or any sort of locker-room/off-ice issues that would warrant the team cutting ties. Even if more than a few of these guys are long shots to making the NHL we still have an AHL team to fill out, and there's always a chance that one of them might take a huge step forward, even if that chance is very slim.
Well that's not entirely true because every year there's (assuming no trades) 7 draft picks being added to the organization. And you have to look at who's about to go pro. Gillies, Smith, Carroll, Jankowski? Gilmour? Klimchuk? Kanzig? Roy? Most importantly Bennett. And that college UFA d-man we just signed. That's just off the top of my head.
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At least a few of those RFAs won't be signed. Wouldn't shock me if Hanowski is only offered an AHL deal. I liked Elson at rookie camp but not sure if he has NHL upside either.
Elson's made some pretty big strides. Worth qualifying, imo
1. Hunter Smith (turns pro?)
2. Austin Carroll (turns pro)
3. Morgan Klimchuk (turns pro)
4. Emile Poirier (may make NHL)
5. Michael Ferland (RFA - may make NHL)
6. Markus Granlund (may make NHL)
7. Drew Shore (RFA - may make NHL)
8. David Wolf (RFA)
9. Max Reinhart (RFA)
10. Bryce Van Brabant
11. Bill Arnold (RFA)
12. Kenny Agostino (RFA)
13. Ben Hanowski (RFA)
14. Turner Elson (RFA)
...and there's guys like Hathaway, Tousignant and Vause, who've been pretty solid this season on AHL deals.
I think Smith should probably spend another year in the OHL. He had a decent season but there's really no rush for him to turn pro especially when you have guys like BVB, Hathaway, Carroll, Wolf, Ferland already in the AHL fighting for the same role. Let Smith develop more in the OHL and hopefully develop more of his scoring skills.
Klimchuk needs to turn pro, he's had 4 seasons in the WHL already and he needs a higher level of challenge.
Poirier probably needs another year in the AHL. I was expecting him to be at least as impactful as Paul Byron is for the Flames this year with a better scoring touch, but he honestly wasn't equal to Byron nevermind the scoring touch. Like Huska says, Poirier needs to be the best player he can be every shift, every game, not just sometimes so another year would probably be good for
I think Ferland, Shore, Granlund, Reinhart are probably close to waiver status no? Shore for sure.
BVB, Arnold, Agostino and Elson should all be full time AHLers next year and all show some promise.
Hanowski i'm thinking he might want to look elsewhere. He sees the depth here and a change of scenary might be good for HIM. I'm sure there's a job waiting for him in Utica.
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I think Smith should probably spend another year in the OHL. He had a decent season but there's really no rush for him to turn pro especially when you have guys like BVB, Hathaway, Carroll, Wolf, Ferland already in the AHL fighting for the same role.
While yes there's a logjam yes, the AHL is where Smith needs to be. His contract won't slide due to his age, so having him dominate in juniors seems pointless.
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While yes there's a logjam yes, the AHL is where Smith needs to be. His contract won't slide due to his age, so having him dominate in juniors seems pointless.
^^ how about we let him sign a contract in the first place before we talk about it sliding?
They can always send him back to Oshawa for another season and sign him next year.
^^ how about we let him sign a contract in the first place before we talk about it sliding?
They can always send him back to Oshawa for another season and sign him next year.
Smith needs to play in the AHL next season. It would be a wasted year having him rag doll children for another year, he needs to play against men. This is where guys like Hanowski become expendable.
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While yes there's a logjam yes, the AHL is where Smith needs to be. His contract won't slide due to his age, so having him dominate in juniors seems pointless.
But that's the point, he's NOT dominating junior. Physically maybe, but is that all we want him to be? Just a 4th line plug?
I'd rather he spend another year and try and develop more offensively. I think if he goes to the AHL next year, he'll just end up fighting all the time and not developing any real skills.
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But that's the point, he's NOT dominating junior. Physically maybe, but is that all we want him to be? Just a 4th line plug?
I'd rather he spend another year and try and develop more offensively. I think if he goes to the AHL next year, he'll just end up fighting all the time and not developing any real skills.
He's going to be a bottom 6 player if he pans out and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Given his skill set, there is no point in having him playing top 6 with and against teenagers for another season. Might as well start grooming him for the role he will have if/when he makes it. He has the potential to be a 6'7" Brandon Prust, might as well start getting him ready for that, against men and under the direct guidance of flames coaches/management.
Probably, but 868904 makes a great point, regardless. No reason to rush him. If staying in junior is a better way to develop his offensive skills some more, then that can only help him - regardless of his role with the team.
see: Bouma, Lance (as example of more offense in bottom 6 is good)
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Excellent. That should be four games from now or late next week if all goes to plan. Cheering for the kid in the long term but I hope this distracts him over the next week or so
Excellent. That should be four games from now or late next week if all goes to plan. Cheering for the kid in the long term but I hope this distracts him over the next week or so
You wish Pg is going down my friend. Ac will be leading that charge. Go Royals.
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1. Hunter Smith (turns pro?)
2. Austin Carroll (turns pro)
3. Morgan Klimchuk (turns pro)
4. Emile Poirier (may make NHL)
5. Michael Ferland (RFA - may make NHL)
6. Markus Granlund (may make NHL)
7. Drew Shore (RFA - may make NHL)
8. David Wolf (RFA)
9. Max Reinhart (RFA)
10. Bryce Van Brabant
11. Bill Arnold (RFA)
12. Kenny Agostino (RFA)
13. Ben Hanowski (RFA)
14. Turner Elson (RFA)
Arnold has another year left, no? He is just finishing his first season of pro hockey, and the Flames ate a year of his contract when he played in the final game of the season last year. That would mean he has one left.
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Arnold has another year left, no? He is just finishing his first season of pro hockey, and the Flames ate a year of his contract when he played in the final game of the season last year. That would mean he has one left.
Arnold was 22 in the eyes of the CBA when he signed his ELC, which means his ELC was 2 years only.
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He's going to be a bottom 6 player if he pans out and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Given his skill set, there is no point in having him playing top 6 with and against teenagers for another season. Might as well start grooming him for the role he will have if/when he makes it. He has the potential to be a 6'7" Brandon Prust, might as well start getting him ready for that, against men and under the direct guidance of flames coaches/management.
Why are we already pigeon-holing him? Why not let him determine his role? Maybe he becomes a feared power forward like Bertuzzi was for a couple years? I seriously doubt the organization places limits on their players like that.
Pg is going down my friend. Ac will be leading that charge. Go Royals.
