03-24-2015, 12:48 PM
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#41
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Originally Posted by Meers
Tanev progressed beyond a 5/6 a couple of years back.
For a top pairing defensive defenseman and elite penalty killer, it's a pretty fair deal.
He's a no drama-type blueliner. You rarely notice the guy, because he rarely makes a mistake.
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He's adding a physical side to his game too, to me he's a Willie Mitchell type with a better first pass
He's not Tj Brodie, he doesnt have that offensive upside
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03-24-2015, 12:51 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by Hockey
I'd rather have Tanev then Brodie......
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Both guys play tough minutes but Tanev is 25 with 16pts. Brodie is 24 with 40pts. Brodie is just as good defensively and far superior offensively. Don't get how you take Tanev over Brodie without calling you a raging homer
You also said you would take Horvat over Johnny correct?
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03-24-2015, 12:58 PM
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#43
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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A tad bit of an over payment but the canucks love giving out the $4.5 mill salary to defensemen so it was pretty much a given.
Skates well, reads the play very well and moves the puck. Not overly physical and lacks the gumption to provide offense. Quality defender though that plays with in himself.
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03-24-2015, 12:58 PM
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#44
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Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: The toilet of Alberta : Edmonton
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Canucks sign Tanev to extension (5yrs, $4.45M AAV, limited NTC)
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
What's so funny about that? Have you checked Brodie's underlying stats when not playing with Giordano? Tanev is better than Brodie defensively... you know the most important part about being a defenseman
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Stupid comment. Take away any #2 defenseman's partner and their game will drop off. Not to mention that the guy that is Brodie's partner is arguably the best defenseman in the league this year. Also, it's not like Brodie was then paired up with the next best Dman (Russell). Nope, he was paired with Deryk freaking Engelland. I'd love to see what Tanev could do with Engelland as a partner. Would probably be Butler-worthy play. And I don't buy that Tanev is better defensively either. Brodie might not be as physical but his positioning, skating, and stickwork are MILES ahead of where Tanev is at. Nice try guy.
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03-24-2015, 12:59 PM
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I believe in the Jays.
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To use a baseball analogy Tanev is a 3-tool D-man where Brodie is a 5-tool D-man.
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03-24-2015, 01:24 PM
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#46
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Originally Posted by Hockey
I'd rather have Tanev then Brodie......
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Saying you'd take Tanev over Brodie is every bit as ridiculous a homer statement as calling Tanev a third pairing defenseman.
Just looking at top 4 defensemen on hockeyanalysis. For me, if I'm assessing a guy as a "defensive defenseman", I ask how many shots the other team gets when he's on the ice. Tanev is good at that.
On the flip side, if I want to assess a guy offensively, I probably am mostly concerned about his own team's shot and goal rate when he's on the ice (particularly since a defenesman can create a goal with a good outlet pass and not get an assist in a lot of cases). Tanev is 133rd in the NHL at goals for per 60 minutes, and 80th in shots for per 60.
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03-24-2015, 01:32 PM
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#47
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Originally Posted by DuckmanX
Bouma is a better goalie than Tanev.
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Off topic, but Bouma really needs to stop blocking shots with the palm of his hand like he did last night. Dude is gonna end up with a broken hand from it one of these days because there's pretty much zero padding there. Love the "do whatever it takes to win" attitude he has, but he needs to be a little more careful sometimes. The guy would block a Weber shot with his face if he had to.
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03-24-2015, 01:35 PM
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#48
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Saying you'd take Tanev over Brodie is every bit as ridiculous a homer statement as calling Tanev a third pairing defenseman.
Just looking at top 4 defensemen on hockeyanalysis. For me, if I'm assessing a guy as a "defensive defenseman", I ask how many shots the other team gets when he's on the ice. Tanev is good at that.
On the flip side, if I want to assess a guy offensively, I probably am mostly concerned about his own team's shot and goal rate when he's on the ice (particularly since a defenesman can create a goal with a good outlet pass and not get an assist in a lot of cases). Tanev is 133rd in the NHL at goals for per 60 minutes, and 80th in shots for per 60.
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So basically what I get from this is that nothing happens when Tanev is on the ice. Sounds like an (ideal) dead-puck era defenseman. A guy you throw out to protect a 1-0 lead for 30 minutes.
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03-24-2015, 01:53 PM
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#49
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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I would take Tanev on this contract for the Flames right now. It would help us out a alot. The comparison to Brodie's contract is unfair becasue of how good that deal is right now and it buys 1 less UFA year.
The replacement value of this in the UFA world is well over 5 million. A good signing for the Canucks. Interesting to see what the limited no trade is. I would love if it is just a no Edmonton clause becasue with how badly Edmonton needs defensemen all NHL Dmen need to be worried.
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03-24-2015, 02:22 PM
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Location: Maple Bay, B.C.
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Agree with GGG, this is a nice signing by Jim Benning. Tanev doesn't bring too much to the table offensively, but is a rock solid defender (you could make a case that he is the best defensive defenseman currently on the Canucks roster).
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03-24-2015, 02:37 PM
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#51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by saillias
So basically what I get from this is that nothing happens when Tanev is on the ice. Sounds like an (ideal) dead-puck era defenseman. A guy you throw out to protect a 1-0 lead for 30 minutes.
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But that's where the league is right now
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Still, there are no shortage of opinions and theories as to what can be done to increase scoring, and most of them miss the mark. The lack of goals isn't because of an increased emphasis on shot-blocking or and it's not because the NHL needs to eliminate that aspect of the game (something that has actually been suggested repeatedly this season). It's not because the NHL needs to widen the ice and play on an international ice surface (something that might actually lead to an even more defensive game) or make the nets bigger.
Five-on-five goal scoring has remained pretty steady in recent years, and teams are converting on the power play at a similar pace. The difference is simply the declining number of power plays that teams are getting every night. Or, more accurately, the power play opportunities they are not getting.
This season the average NHL team is getting just 3.11 power play opportunities per game. How does that compare to past seasons?
Well, let's look...
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http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-...ng-fewer-goals
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03-24-2015, 02:39 PM
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Location: NB
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Tanev may be a tad bit better defensively, but Brodie has an offensive game and skating ability that Tanev can't touch.
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03-24-2015, 02:44 PM
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#53
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by Hockey
I'd rather have Tanev then Brodie......
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03-24-2015, 02:52 PM
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Hockey
I'd rather have Tanev then Brodie......
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03-24-2015, 02:53 PM
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Location: NC
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Solid deal for the Canucks. He's like the only good defenseman they have.
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03-24-2015, 02:59 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
What's so funny about that? Have you checked Brodie's underlying stats when not playing with Giordano?
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No, because he plays with Deryk Engelland. Nik Lidstrom himself would look brutal in that context.
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03-24-2015, 03:40 PM
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#57
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In one day from Canuck fans...
I would rather have Horvat than Gaudreau
I would rather have Tanev than Brodie
Lack has been as big of a surprise for the Canucks as Gaudreau has been for the Flames.
Never change
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03-24-2015, 04:02 PM
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#58
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
No, because he plays with Deryk Engelland. Nik Lidstrom himself would look brutal in that context.
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To suggest this board over rates Brodie's defensive abilities at this point in his career development is not that much of a stretch. He's what everyone loves to love, young, puck moving, tones of creativity and offensive upside. Flames fans especially have a soft spot for this because we sorely lacked that for years in the Sutter era and beyond.
But Brodie's defensive game right now was substantially covered up by Giordano for most of the season, and his short comings in that regards are now being un-fairly lumped on to Mr. Engelland. Where Brodie actually sits from a defensive stand point is likely somewhere in between what we were seeing with Gio and what we are seeing right now.
None of this is meant to be a critique of Brodie, he's just going to get better as he gets more experience and makes some better defensive decisions, and he's already fantastic. But he's for sure one of the guys our own fan base over rates and gets over protective of in convo's like this. They are different players, but him and Tanev are not in different leagues at this point in their careers, and the Nucks signed a pretty nice contract their IMO.
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03-24-2015, 04:03 PM
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#59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
In one day from Canuck fans...
I would rather have Horvat than Gaudreau
I would rather have Tanev than Brodie
Lack has been as big of a surprise for the Canucks as Gaudreau has been for the Flames.
Never change
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The first two were the same poster. Didn't read the third, so not sure about that one.
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03-24-2015, 04:48 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pitt Meadows
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
In one day from Canuck fans...
I would rather have Horvat than Gaudreau
I would rather have Tanev than Brodie
Lack has been as big of a surprise for the Canucks as Gaudreau has been for the Flames.
Never change
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I wasn't actually serious about the Tanev being better. However I still stand by my Horvat comment.
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