"Sustainable" - Why use the Avs and Leafs as the parallel?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Robbob

That is the thing though. For the last few years we have been hearing that the Oilers have good fancy stats and that they are just unlucky. You would think if that was the case then adding a few more fancy stat players would improve their team rather then turning in one of their worst years.

Oilers only had good fancy stats for the beginning of this year. Every other year and the last half of this one have been God awful

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Oilers only had good fancy stats for the beginning of this year. Every other year and the last half of this one have been God awful

Fancy stats are no good, Edmonton is the evidence.

[Robbob]

I don't know. I seem to recall someone touting fancy stats saying Conklin was better then Broduer. Or how last year fancy stats put Marchin 3rd behind Gio and Brodie. Maybe as a team they have been horrible (because they truly are no good).

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't know. I seem to recall someone touting fancy stats saying Conklin was better then Broduer. Or how last year fancy stats put Marchin 3rd behind Gio and Brodie. Maybe as a team they have been horrible (because they truly are no good).

That is correct. They had one or two small sample size good players, but generally their team was awful

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It can't possibly have helped in one season as it's for player procurement and drafting.

Which is why it was so baffling that when they hired Mudcrutch, it was announced that he'd be reporting to Eakins (and apparently his services aren't being used since Eakins was canned).


If Corsi and the like have any value it's as an indicator of what's happening in areas of the game that are otherwise difficult to quantify. You can't coach a style of play designed to improve Corsi and hope that everything else follows along because Corsi doesn't drive performance, it follows it. The easiest way to create a system designed to improve Corsi would be to have your team attempt as many shots as possible whether they're good quality shots or not (which we often saw happen early in the season for the Oilers). That's not an effective strategy for winning (as we also saw happen early in the season with the Oilers).

Coaching a style designed to improve Corsi is sort of like trying to build a life support machine for a canary in a coal mine. It misses the point entirely.


When Eakins was fired, the Oilers Corsi For % in all situations was 14th in the league (50.9%), and they had a record of 7-19-5 (19 of 62 points, or 30.6%). Since Eakins was fired, their Corsi For % in all situations is 25th in the league (47.4%), and their record since Eakins is 11-19-6 (28 of 72 points, or 38.9%).

It's not exactly time to throw a parade, but it is a measured improvement. If they had played all season at the pace they've played under Nelson, this would be on-target to be one of the bottom 4 or 5 seasons in Oilers' history. Instead, it's on pace to be the absolute worst season in Oilers' history.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by getbak

Which is why it was so baffling that when they hired Mudcrutch, it was announced that he'd be reporting to Eakins (and apparently his services aren't being used since Eakins was canned).


If Corsi and the like have any value it's as an indicator of what's happening in areas of the game that are otherwise difficult to quantify. You can't coach a style of play designed to improve Corsi and hope that everything else follows along because Corsi doesn't drive performance, it follows it. The easiest way to create a system designed to improve Corsi would be to have your team attempt as many shots as possible whether they're good quality shots or not (which we often saw happen early in the season for the Oilers). That's not an effective strategy for winning (as we also saw happen early in the season with the Oilers).

Coaching a style designed to improve Corsi is sort of like trying to build a life support machine for a canary in a coal mine. It misses the point entirely.


When Eakins was fired, the Oilers Corsi For % in all situations was 14th in the league (50.9%), and they had a record of 7-19-5 (19 of 62 points, or 30.6%). Since Eakins was fired, their Corsi For % in all situations is 25th in the league (47.4%), and their record since Eakins is 11-19-6 (28 of 72 points, or 38.9%).

It's not exactly time to throw a parade, but it is a measured improvement. If they had played all season at the pace they've played under Nelson, this would be on-target to be one of the bottom 4 or 5 seasons in Oilers' history. Instead, it's on pace to be the absolute worst season in Oilers' history.

My thoughts exactly. The Oilers were not trying to improve as a team, they were trying to improve their Corsi numbers and thought that a better team would naturally stem from that.