[CP Story] Flames '15 Deadline Recap

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The waiver thing had me assuming this was inevitable in camp next year. I just don't see Sven beating out all takes to be one of four top six wingers. Too steep a hill.

This day was inevitable. If it wasn't today surely Baertschi would have been moved at the draft regardless of him forcing the Flames hand. Fans were always going to be underwhelmed by the return on him because he had an inflated value to Flames fans. We all saw the junior highlights then the emergency call-up performance cemented he was going to be the next big homegrown talent with the team heading to a rebuild. He was the Flames Taylor Hall. As it turns out it was two wingers drafted behind him in that same draft that eventually took his spot in the organization depth chart. Take away the entitlement issues and the fact is the Granlund and Gadreau are simply superior players. Heck if the Flames can turn the Canucks 2nd round pick into another Granlund this trade is a big success.

Maybe Sven can get his act together in Vancouver or maybe he's simply the player the rest of the league thinks he is given that it sounds like teams weren't overly interested in the former first round pick.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Come fall, Sven on waivers would have become the next CalgaryPuck Rico Fata meme.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Come fall, Sven on waivers would have become the next CalgaryPuck Rico Fata meme.

It's a possibility he still ends up on waivers this fall but you know the Canucks will exhaust every opportunity to avoid egg on their faces with this one. That said Desjardins is as close to Hartley as it gets when it comes to young players earning their ice time so the kid better plan on putting in a lot of work this summer.

[calgarybornnraised]

This is all because of Johnny. He rised to the occasion, and Sven just pouted his way through. Sven needed to be 2nd line LW and Johnny took it.

[Reggie Dunlop]

After all the talk about acquiring Jeff Drouin-Deslauriers from the KHL, I'm surprised there wasn't a minor league goalie deal. Thought perhaps they'd pick up someone for Adirondack's stretch drive.

Ideally, John Gillies signs.

[chubeyr1]

Not impressed today! Not devastated either!

Value for Glencross was good, makes up for nothing for Cammy. Trading Sven? For a second was decent value, trading in our division was stupid. If and I know its a big if, If Sven performs and blossoms gonna be hard for Treliving to keep his job. Come on its the Canucks, we all know this is true.

We did not make our team stronger. We got weaker for the moment.

We have some extra draft picks now. We better use them well.

We are rebuilding but just lost our best leftwing prospect! Klimchuck now has that role!

Not hating on management, just saying I am not impressed. That can change though! A first 3 seconds and 2 thirds at the draft is pretty good ammo to get the player you want. I will go on a rampage if its a center or goalie though lol! BPA is how you draft, but you trade so the BPA also fits a need.

[blankall]

The Flames should not have been buyers...

Let's face it, we are barely a playoff team now. Without Giordano we are probably not a playoff team. The cost to acquire a Gio replacement would have been huge, and probably no one was trading a player like that. Yandle was the closest. So the options were give up the farm to end up in slightly lesser place than we were before the Gio injury, or just deal with what we have.

There's still a chance we'll make the playoffs, but it won't be a big pickup that pushes us over the edge. It'll be playing as a team and working hard.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Was hoping for more of a hockey type trade, one where we landed someone who could have helped with the playoff push and also fit into the long term plans. But you see what a guy like Coburn cost and also the news breaking of the severity of Gio's injury and I'm glad we played it safe.

Pretty low key deadline but looking forward to 6 top 80 picks on draft day!

[badger89]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The waiver thing had me assuming this was inevitable in camp next year. I just don't see Sven beating out all takes to be one of four top six wingers. Too steep a hill.

Its a good problem to have I guess

Better to sort it out now and have the asset for the draft.

True, but surprised they did the deal with Vancouver. It really could come back to haunt us.

[Tinordi]

Another interesting outcome is that maybe we can start taking Treliving by his word. He was quoted in the media numerous times before the deadline that they were not interested in selling the future and that they were interested in acquiring more picks. That's what the Flames did on deadline day, exactly what he said he would do.

That didn't stop the speculation about the Flames packaging picks for help now or to go out and trade for rentals but maybe it should give some pause now.

[LIP MAN]

We did well. As a Baertschi fan, I'm disappointed that he wasn't happy here, but the writing was on the wall for him here. Classic case of a player needing a change of scenery, good on Treliving getting a second for him. The return for Glencross was substantial. This draft is going to be very important for our organization.

I suppose with Gio out, we'll see if this group is made of sterner stuff. Given the fools ransom we'd be paying for a middle to top tier defenceman, Treliving was right to use a known asset and see what he has in his own depth pool (although I'm concerned about the hesitancy to play Wotherspoon). Lastly, a majority of people on this board were screaming for a full, methodical rebuild. Trading away assets in a deep draft that contains a plethora of quality players in positions we covet would be regression from our long term goals. As for our long term outlook, our management team did well in acquiring picks while doing little damage to our present team depth for our current playoff push. Excellent acquisitions in what turned out to be a sellers market these last few days.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I like what Treliving accomplished... even the trade of Baertschi which was somewhat forced upon him. Given the background info on the Baertschi trade, Treliving did well.

I agree. Was a big fan of Sven but a bigger fan of Flaming C. I hope the 2nd turns into a great player.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

I'm sure if it were available, we would have seen it happen, but I was really pulling for the Flames to package some of our depth pieces for something a little more concrete. Also, there's the cap space, but i mostly gave up on that a while back

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by badger89

True, but surprised they did the deal with Vancouver. It really could come back to haunt us.

How we will rue the day where a player who no longer wanted to be with this organization plays against us? Treliving stressed the point the 2nd was by far the best deal. Sure from the fan side it just feels unholy helping the Canucks complete a transaction but I would rather Treliving make the call to best better this team without worry about what happens with Sven. It could be like the 2nd we sent for Kipper but as it stands it wouldn't happen with us. And what's to say it might not happen with any other team if Sven just walked instead of being traded. Best to look forward to the draft and making the most of the additional picks.

Not to mention, this is still a prospect. He has as much of a chance of burning us as what the 2nd round pick will be. Until he shows otherwise, a non issue

[troutman]

Six picks in the top 80!

Very satisfied with that.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by badger89

True, but surprised they did the deal with Vancouver. It really could come back to haunt us.

How so? VAN is soon to embark on a long painful rebuild.

[Imported_Aussie]

The players moved went for too much for a bubble team like Calgary - we are ahead of pace on the rebuild, but that is no reason to dump assets prematurely.
Wisniewski has a partial NTC, so he could only move to certain teams. Likely, the Flames were not one, otherwise a deal for him around Baertschi + 2nd would have been possible.
Petry went cheaper than other D, but there is no way he goes for that price to the Flames, as has already been mentioned.
When you consider selling, the Flames assets, beyond the two guys who were moved, are all under contract or team control (RFAs who WANT to stay) for at least another season. There was no NEED to sell, only if the right deal presented, and my guess is that did not happen.

So Treliving moved two guys who will not be a part of the team next year, and reinforces the depth on D without spending. Sure, the team has a big drop off losing Giordano, but the closest guys to replacing his minutes went for a king's ransom, and only a team peaking should be spending that much.

For me, it was a case of making the best of a bad hand. Didn't win, but kept enough chips to be able to play the next hands, which hopefully come up better for the Flames.

Next will be the draft, with a bunch of picks and potential for trades, then training camp and cuts and so on. Make a push for the playoffs now, and worst case, the team finishes better than anyone predicted.

[Bingo]

I get that Baertschi is an emotion packed player from a Flames fan's standpoint. Nothing harder than watching a top prospect erode or at least slow in his path to the NHL. His start was amazing.

Looking back at the summer prospect poll I see Baertschi getting 7 votes in the first round, ahead of Gaudreau and Bennett.

With Gaudreau off the list 25 people had him ahead of Bennett.

He won the third round in a land slide

So I get it, people loved his game and were hopeful he was going to be a stud in Calgary. I didn't vote for Baertschi in the summer, never had a chance. And I wasn't in the "Hartley not giving him a chance", "free Sven" crowd. I saw a guy with talent but not the maturity to grasp the moment, though he improved his attitude greatly this season.

Wish him well, but I'm so glad this waiver thing isn't an issue that will hang over camp. Can't see him in the team's top six this fall if he was here, and I'm guessing the only reason he will be in Vancouver's is to avoid looking like they messed up in this trade.

The results from the poll on the trade tells me 75% of the site is pretty good with it.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I get that Baertschi is an emotion packed player from a Flames fan's standpoint. Nothing harder than watching a top prospect erode or at least slow in his path to the NHL. His start was amazing.

Looking back at the summer prospect poll I see Baertschi getting 7 votes in the first round, ahead of Gaudreau and Bennett.

With Gaudreau off the list 25 people had him ahead of Bennett.

He won the third round in a land slide

So I get it, people loved his game and were hopeful he was going to be a stud in Calgary. I didn't vote for Baertschi in the summer, never had a chance. And I wasn't in the "Hartley not giving him a chance", "free Sven" crowd. I saw a guy with talent but not the maturity to grasp the moment, though he improved his attitude greatly this season.

Wish him well, but I'm so glad this waiver thing isn't an issue that will hang over camp. Can't see him in the team's top six this fall if he was here, and I'm guessing the only reason he will be in Vancouver's is to avoid looking like they messed up in this trade.

The results from the poll on the trade tells me 75% of the site is pretty good with it.

My only issue with the poll is that Flames did best considering circumstances fails to judge the Flames utter failure in creating those circumstances....the return is fine as of today.....but how we got to the point is the real problem.