Friedman: Flames, Treliving have to show young guys they want to win at deadline

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Better quit the rebuild - we might damage the fragile psychology of these professional athletes that make up the roster of an overachieving playoff bubble team on the outside looking in.

MOD EDIT: Not needed.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They probably won't stop competing, because they want to make the playoffs.

But you don't think the guys in the dressing room would be a little pissed off that they are 1 point out of the playoffs and the team is selling UFAs and not adding anything to help now?

Not sure why rebuild means you have to trade every veteran for picks/prospects.

They might be upset, but they shouldn't be.

Players simply need to understand how the NHL works. This is a young team that had no expectations going into the year. This was never and still is not the year to compete.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO giving up assets to acquire rental players when you feel you are on the verge of winning the cup can be viewed as smart management as windows can close fast. IMO giving up assets to acquire rental players when you are a surprise young team currently looking at the playoffs from the outside in a close race is poor asset management. Lets hope Flames management are being realistic about where the organization is today and where it needs to be in the future. I will say that sometimes I worry that ownership is fixated on the playoff game revenue (as has been in the past) although there's been no evidence that they would interfere with the team operations.

[Tinordi]

MOD EDIT: Removed quoted post.

[Coach]

Why, if we do trade Glencross for a player and not a pick(s), are they automatically a rental?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Some of the Bkack and White opinions on this topic are crazy. Doing what Friedman suggests is far from not staying the course on the rebuild. Big difference between trading our 1st round pick for a rental this year, and looking for an immediate impact return for Glencross.

Point being made by Friedman is that future development of our young players might be better served by getting them some playoff experience and continuing to enforce their excitement in the team and organization by rewarding their good play this year by showing you believe in them and backing that upon some way at this deadline. Obviously you don't do that by trading away things like your first, but moving Glencross for something other than a 2nd round pick....maybe that's something you consider for both short and long term benefits of the young guys already here making an impact.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Better quit the rebuild - we might damage the fragile psychology of these professional athletes that make up the roster of an overachieving playoff bubble team on the outside looking in.

Personally, I doubt we get much more than a 3rd round pick for Glencross anyway. If we are in year 2 of a 4 or 5 year rebuild, then that 3rd round pick isn't likely to even have an impact at the NHL level until after the rebuild is complete (if at all). The rebuild is not dependent on, or is likely to even be affected by what we get for Glencross. There is a low probability that we might have a useable asset by then if we trade Glencross now, but as far as the rebuild goes, it is not necessary.

Of course, I would love to be wrong and get more for Glencross, and something that would boost the rebuild, but I just don't see it as a realistic expectation.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Some of the Bkack and White opinions on this topic are crazy. Doing what Friedman suggests is far from not staying the course on the rebuild. Big difference between trading our 1st round pick for a rental this year, and looking for an immediate impact return for Glencross.

Point being made by Friedman is that future development of our young players might be better served by getting them some playoff experience and continuing to enforce their excitement in the team and organization by rewarding their good play this year by showing you believe in them and backing that upon some way at this deadline. Obviously you don't do that by trading away things like your first, but moving Glencross for something other than a 2nd round pick....maybe that's something you consider for both short and long term benefits of the young guys already here making an impact.

Agreed. It seems like people think you need to be a buyer or a seller at this point in the season, but there is a case to be made that being neither is the correct course of action.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Better quit the rebuild - we might damage the fragile psychology of these professional athletes that make up the roster of an overachieving playoff bubble team on the outside looking in.

It's clear that's what's being proposed. Glad you're standing up and saying no.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Some of the Bkack and White opinions on this topic are crazy. Doing what Friedman suggests is far from not staying the course on the rebuild. Big difference between trading our 1st round pick for a rental this year, and looking for an immediate impact return for Glencross.

The problem here is that you don't usually see player for player deals at the deadline as a team that's looking for Glencross will be bolstering their lineup for the playoffs and subtracting a roster player to acquire Glencross isn't bolstering your depth as that's a lateral move. It's hard enough to work a rental player for assets deal at the deadline and if it was going to be player for player that deal should have been consummated earlier.

[GioforPM]

Thing is though, if we are just talking about Glencross, exchanging him for another rental only makes sense to me if the rental (a) is better than him at the same job or (b) fills a different hole and can be re-signed at a reasonable price/term (and is therefoer not really a rental).

[bubbsy]

i understand the sentiment and think it is important in the growth of the team. If we are trading assets for returns that are picks/prospects that don't help in the playoff push even a little, it doesn't help the evolution of the players developing in that dressing room today.

Getting a vet/rental for leadership during the final push of the season, getting a depth dman (ideally one that gets engelland into the pressbox would be my desire) are things that can be acheived that gives the current group the message that this year's success is viewed on as real (not flash in the pan type stuff) and we want to see where it goes. management doesn't need to sacrifice futures to make that happen. i would hope next year's 1st and 2nd aren't part of the equation, but picks outside of that, glencross/smid/bollig/engelland, prospects who have lived out their development with the org and aren't considered part of the longterm strategy are the assets being negotiated with to bring this in.

alternatively, curious if they are looking for the larger variety of deal that includes higher valued assets, but for a return that brings immediate impact but fits into the long term approach (ie. getting a player signed for the next x years).

[GioforPM]

[QUOTE=bubbsy;5153419]i understand the sentiment and think it is important in the growth of the team. If we are trading assets for returns that are picks/prospects that don't help in the playoff push even a little, it doesn't help the evolution of the players developing in that dressing room today.

Getting a vet/rental for leadership during the final push of the season, getting a depth dman (ideally one that gets engelland into the pressbox would be my desire) are things that can be acheived that gives the current group the message that this year's success is viewed on as real (not flash in the pan type stuff) and we want to see where it goes. management doesn't need to sacrifice futures to make that happen. i would hope next year's 1st and 2nd aren't part of the equation, but picks outside of that, glencross/smid/bollig/engelland, prospects who have lived out their development with the org and aren't considered part of the longterm strategy are the assets being negotiated with to bring this in.
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How do you acquire immediate help without sacrificing futures?

Not sure it's more leadership needed. There's good leadership on this team. I agree that Engelland is the big liability on defence (last night he had the puck behind the net with no one near and actually waited for the Ranger to come and forecheck the puck away).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Kypreos just mentioned on Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet that Treliving is "shopping hard" to get rid of salary. Mentioned Glencross, Stajan and Raymond.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kypreos just mentioned on Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet that Treliving is "shopping hard" to get rid of salary. Mentioned Glencross, Stajan and Raymond.

Interesting. Who are they bringing in with a massive contract? Otherwise I'm not sure what the big panic is to move out money.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

They might be upset, but they shouldn't be.

Players simply need to understand how the NHL works. This is a young team that had no expectations going into the year. This was never and still is not the year to compete.

Interesting perspective coming from someone who has been calling for the kid glove treatment of Sven's ego for the past 2 years and pissing and moaning about the discrepancy between Sven's treatment and Colborne's. No calls when it comes to that topic about Sven "needing to understand" how the NHL and being a pro works.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kypreos just mentioned on Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet that Treliving is "shopping hard" to get rid of salary. Mentioned Glencross, Stajan and Raymond.

Why would he be trying to get rid of salary? This team is barely above the floor.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Interesting. Who are they bringing in with a massive contract? Otherwise I'm not sure what the big panic is to move out money.

Yup.

Feel like Treliving may be looking at making his mark on the team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Kypreos just mentioned on Hockey Central at Noon on Sportsnet that Treliving is "shopping hard" to get rid of salary. Mentioned Glencross, Stajan and Raymond.

That makes me happy to hear.

Raymond has played himself off the team in my opinion.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Interesting. Who are they bringing in with a massive contract? Otherwise I'm not sure what the big panic is to move out money.

Was just going to say the same thing. Doesn't make sense to move salary at this point unless something else is up.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Who's even on the block with a big contract? Kessel?