if you think one player cant disrupt the locker room, you probably were that player.
You throw a jab out there cause you really dont know if one guy can disrupt the locker room or not. But just follow what the majority is thinking, that has got to be the right answer. Classic.
If the price is right, I wouldn't hesitate. He's supremely talented, young and on a fairly good deal. If Winnipeg wants his full value? No. If they're giving him away like we did Phaneuf? Yes.
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Yes, absolutely. We're exactly the type of team he will be successful on. We have solid leadership, other young players with their heads on straight, and a culture of hard work and responsibility.
Kane will not be the best player on the team, nor looked to to be a superstar. He'd be great here, we should go get him.
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It it were highway robbery than you do it for sure.
I'm thinking of a list of guys who looked like great young players than ran into problems that caused them to be traded. Just plucking a few random ones off the top of my head.
Can you point out the example where the team that traded for the "problem player" lost the trade.
Richards looks bad now, but when you compare, Philly has perpetually underachieved and LA has 2 cups.
Phanuef is terrible now, but the Flames have next to nothing left from this trade, and the leaf's got the best player they just gave him a stupid contract.
Heatley helped the sens to the Finals, and Hossa is long gone.
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It it were highway robbery than you do it for sure.
I'm thinking of a list of guys who looked like great young players than ran into problems that caused them to be traded. Just plucking a few random ones off the top of my head.
Can you point out the example where the team that traded for the "problem player" lost the trade.
Richards looks bad now, but when you compare, Philly has perpetually underachieved and LA has 2 cups.
Phanuef is terrible now, but the Flames have next to nothing left from this trade, and the leaf's got the best player they just gave him a stupid contract.
Heatley helped the sens to the Finals, and Hossa is long gone.
Out of all those players that you mentioned, none of them seemed to be disliked by their peers the way Kane is. Even with Phaneuf, there was a higher level of tolerance. Most of the players you mentioned had conflicts with coaches and not their teammates.
Also, Kane couldn't even hold a candle to most of the players you mentioned in terms of talent and overall value to a team at the time they had their issues.
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There are very few players I would honestly say this for, but if the Jets offered us Kane for free I honestly wouldn't take it. If we were in a different position with a more experienced leadership core that has been competitive for years and needs that one player to get over the hump it would be a definite yes. But with the position the Flames are in adding someone like Kane to the locker room could cause mayhem. It's just not worth the chance.
I honestly don't think Kane would want to play in a second smaller market anyway, so why even risk bringing him in?
This isn't really a yes or no question. 29 teams would take Evander immediately if they didn't have to give up anything of significance in return. A player with his talent and ability at 23 years old has a ton of value, despite the fact that he seems to have an attitude problem. Professional sports is littered with great athletes that have poor attitudes but have gone on to be very successful.
Given the news of his injury and being shut down for the year, I am less interested in the Flames getting Kane.
I think it becomes more likely that one of the teams who are McEichling this year will make the move, knowing that they will not have Kane adding any potential to their team winning games this year, but the idea of one of those two centres with Kane on the wing is ... Unpleasant to think about having to play against.
Go to Carolina, Kane. Stay out of Edmonton, you'll hate it there.
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Reason: apparently I misspelled "shut"
You throw a jab out there cause you really dont know if one guy can disrupt the locker room or not. But just follow what the majority is thinking, that has got to be the right answer. Classic.
Kevin Lowe, is that you? Do you know a thing or 2 about winning?
I know attitude is one of the hardest habits to change but if anyone could do it it'd say it's this group. Plus it's not like he'd mess up this years chemistry if the surgery bit is true and he's out 6 months
That said I'd be willing to give up pretty much nothing of significant value for an attitude problem so voting no. The price would have to be stupid cheap.
This would be a player that's a decent low cost low risk high reward free agent signing, not someone you trade for.
Or It like " o I got traded.... My shoulder doesn't feel so bad any more. Imagine that"
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One player cant distrupt the locker room. Have any of you guys played hockey jeez. You have no idea how much ive been laughing out loud at some of the comments on here
Meant to quote
Pretty sure the Kane media circus has caused more (negative) attention than the rest of the team combined, and I'd imagine the distraction amidst a playoff push will have an effect (even if that is hArd to measure)
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if you think one player cant disrupt the locker room, you probably were that player.
In my experience, a team can handle one guy with an attitude problem without any real effects because everyone else stays tight and just rolls their eyes at the d-bag. It's when you have more than one guy like that that it becomes an issue, so the real question for me is whether we already have reached our d-bag limit. As far as I can tell, we haven't, but I'm not in that lockerroom, so I can't say for sure.
I say yes, but with a major caveat: the Jets take him for pieces that potentially could spent more time in the AHL anyway, and the Flames have to be ready and willing to throw him on waivers the second he steps out of line.
There's a risk in losing those players, for sure. But the potential if he matures and the overall message it sends if we toss him out if he doesn't is all positive.
For the record, I'm talking about Hanowski and a 4th at this point. He will go to the highest bidder, but the bids won't be high.
The reason I'm optimistic is that I can see the situation being a spiral that the Jets can't fix. He started it with being immature, but it progresses with a stubbornness to not say I'm sorry and make peace with his teammates. A fresh home could be something he is craving as he is likely writhing in agony every day he has to walk into that awkward room and will be excited for a fresh start.
Should there have been a problem in the first place? No. Should he be mature enough to back off and fix it? Yes. Neither are necessarily excusable, but it doesn't mean that it will be the Flames' problem. Having a big LW who will put you through the boards and dangle? Yes please. He could develop a massive loyalty to the team who took a chance on him and fly our flag the highest for all we know. If he doesn't? Say hello to waivers, and the rest of the world can take note that the Flames don't take disrespect lightly. They'll give you a chance, but don't spit in their face.
IMO, I like it. IF the price is low enough.
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In my experience, a team can handle one guy with an attitude problem without any real effects because everyone else stays tight and just rolls their eyes at the d-bag. It's when you have more than one guy like that that it becomes an issue, so the real question for me is whether we already have reached our d-bag limit. As far as I can tell, we haven't, but I'm not in that lockerroom, so I can't say for sure.
I'm not calling you out here because it's an interesting idea, but who's the other dbag on Winnipeg and why?
You throw a jab out there cause you really dont know if one guy can disrupt the locker room or not. But just follow what the majority is thinking, that has got to be the right answer. Classic.
One player cant distrupt the locker room. Have any of you guys played hockey jeez. You have no idea how much ive been laughing out loud at some of the comments on here
I played, and at a pretty high level too, and I can say that (at least in my experience) your statement is almost 100% wrong.
Is it blown out of proportion by the media? A little bit yes, but you've either been extremely fortunate and played with really good guys, or you're kidding yourself if you think that.
Again, maybe your experiences are different, but my experiences would lead me to disagree with you.
And to answer the OP, a big fat no.
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Calgary would arguably be the best team he could go to, considering it's a classy organization, a relatively small market that you cannot get into too much trouble without someone taking notice, and considering it's a fresh start, management could make it clear there would be zero tolerance for some of the shenanigans he pulled in Winnipeg.
I honestly think Kane is his own worst enemy, and the fact that he has mentioned that he does not want to play in the US midwest, or Canada (Vancouver being the exception), may come back to haunt him. It's clear he wants to be in Philadelphia, New York, Boston, or Detroit. Problem is, he could be the author of his own demise. When Kane was in Atlanta, there used to be some hfboards.com members from Georgia, during the transition to WInnipeg, that hung around for the first year, noted there were a lot of issues about disclipline problems with Kane and other Thrasher players, since ownership was virtually non-existant, and NHL players were unrecognizable outside the arena, as Atlanta has a metro population of 5,500,000.
Kane has been spotted numerous times at Winnipeg's largest casino's. He also likes to fly to Vegas any chance he gets. I personally think it's not too far-fetched to believe he may have a gambling problem. Getting into bar fights, not paying tabs, hanging out with Drake and other hip hop artists, and other bad habits could be overlooked in big US cities, and while the organizations may be concerned, the city won't as he would just be a face in the crowd.
Realistically, if Kane can't cut it in Winnipeg, where from all accounts, True North spent more time helping him with his off-ice issues than possibly all other Jets combined, what is he going to do with less supervision, and not having to live under a microscope? Kane seems like the type of person who would get caught up in the wrong things, and I would not be the least surprised if he is either broke, out of the NHL, incarcerated, or even dead by the time he is 30.
