Canadian Muslim group raided, funneled money to Hamas

[Harry Lime]

Reading through this thread out of interest in a news story I had not yet heard about, and had no intention of adding anything.

I was curious as to whether there were any viable statistics and polls available, as this was a topic of discussion. I went to google and typed in "statistics muslim beliefs" and this was the first hit, containing many compiled polls and statistics from various sources, from government polls to news agencies and everything inbetween.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...nion-polls.htm

I can't vouch for the page itself, as it was just the first hit, but the links are to more reputable sources.

[fatso]

that article is some pretty bad doublespeak, and a poorly-written article, even for The Sun.

The real target here is IRFAN which seems dodgy. MAC may have some complicity in IRFAN's actions but any connection is so tenuous at this stage that this is just irresponsible journalism by the Sun.

Specifically, it's pretty disingenuous to suggest MAC cut ties with IRFAN some time after it ought to have known better. MAC stopped giving funds four years before IRFAN was raided (which was a day before IRFAN was declared a terrorist organization and which was in April 2014, so almost a year ago)). In any event, the info on MAC giving funds to IRFAN between 2001-2010 (when they stopped) was obtained directly from CRA which means MAC was disclosing the info of their donations to the government. There is no allegation of MAC's continued funding in the warrant after 2010 (otherwise I would assume it would be in the article), except for the one example they mention...

Someone from IRFAN walked out of MAC with an envelope nearly a year ago and the RCMP suggested in obtaining the warrant to raid IRFAN that envelope could obtain cash from MAC. Sure, I suppose. But even so, how much? MAC's not the one being targeted by the RCMP. It's IRFAN and the SUN is trying to throw MAC under the bus with it. To the extent the SUN wants to claim MAC is funding a terrorist group, it is a pretty weak allegation.

I'm not saying to be lax against monitoring potential terrorist activities, but if you actually read the article it's not as sinister as it appears to be (unless, like the Sun, you believe all muslims are up to no good). At least it isn't yet in a great place like Canada where we actually have due process. But hey, if you can get a truly vacuous 2nd post in and write "the hate runs deep in that culture" why read the article at all?

[fatso]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Reading through this thread out of interest in a news story I had not yet heard about, and had no intention of adding anything.

I haven't seen a credible source report it yet, but that may just be a matter of time (or I may just be wrong). However, the fact that the key events happened months ago leads me to believe this is just more "all Muslims are devious" type journalism.

[jammies]

All else aside, giving money to a charity linked to Hamas is not the same as giving it to Hamas. Therefore, the thread title is misleading - probably deliberately.

Of course, the "Sasquatch/Coachello" (instead of freakin' COACHELLA) titled thread has been wrong for years and years now, so I guess this isn't going to get corrected anytime soon either.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by jammies

Of course, the "Sasquatch/Coachello" (instead of freakin' COACHELLA) titled thread has been wrong for years and years now, so I guess this isn't going to get corrected anytime soon either.

lol. I hope that's a dig at me as I complained about that misspelling in that thread. Otherwise, get out of my brain, man!

[WCW Nitro]

A general thought on the whole Muslims/violence issue- there is no doubt that there is a problem within the Muslim world and that today more Muslims have become extreme than even 20 years ago. I think however there is a tendency in the West where somehow civilians killed by bombs is just the cost of doing business and is brushed off. For example, if a Muslim country had lied and gone to war like the U.S. did in Iraq and killed as many civilians as America did, I can only imagine what the calls for revenge would be.

[Matata]

I think the violence is less of a 'Muslim' thing and more of a 'western governments have been destabilizing, exploiting and bringing war to these areas for decades' sort of thing.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Matata

I think the violence is less of a 'Muslim' thing and more of a 'western governments have been destabilizing, exploiting and bringing war to these areas for decades' sort of thing.

Oh for sure. That's why Sunni terrorists blow up Shia mosques and vice versa ... because western destabilization.

Yes, the west carved borders inappropriately. No it's not the primary reason.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oh for sure. That's why Sunni terrorists blow up Shia mosques and vice versa ... because western destabilization.

Yes, the west carved borders inappropriately. No it's not the primary reason.

I'm not saying things would be all sunshine and lollipops without western interference, but when violence and exploitation are externally forced on a culture for generations, that culture is going to become more violent.

[nik-]

Like when Western interference caused them to conquer northern Africa and most of Spain

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Matata

I think the violence is less of a 'Muslim' thing and more of a 'western governments have been destabilizing, exploiting and bringing war to these areas for decades' sort of thing.

Amazing how people blame the west for the Islamic violence

The religion itself is the problem not it's people, it's "good book" breeds violence and any group of humans can be brainwashed into hatred.

As for decades of war how far should we go back?

-1948 and Israel? or around 733 BC when the Jews started getting exiled from Israel?

-First gulf war? should the USA have turned a blind eye on an invasion of epic crazyness? (in hindsight we should have let the Saudi's and Iran try to stop Sadam)

-Second gulf war? should we have let a murderous ###### dictator develope a nuke first?

-Afgan war, should we have left bin Laden and the Taliban alone until they take down all the tall buildings in NA.?

Islam needs to be re-branded,it's core is a very bad idea and it will NEVER be peaceful..ever! If allowed to breed the hate it does now mark my words...there will be a nuke war very soon.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by T@T

Amazing how people blame the west for the Islamic violence

The religion itself is the problem not it's people, it's "good book" breeds violence and any group of humans can be brainwashed into hatred.

They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

Originally Posted by T@T

-Second gulf war? should we have let a murderous ###### dictator develope a nuke first?

America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

George W. called. He wants his bull$hit back.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by T@T

Amazing how people blame the west for the Islamic violence

The religion itself is the problem not it's people, it's "good book" breeds violence and any group of humans can be brainwashed into hatred.

As for decades of war how far should we go back?

-1948 and Israel? or around 733 BC when the Jews started getting exiled from Israel?

-First gulf war? should the USA have turned a blind eye on an invasion of epic crazyness? (in hindsight we should have let the Saudi's and Iran try to stop Sadam)

-Second gulf war? should we have let a murderous ###### dictator develope a nuke first?

-Afgan war, should we have left bin Laden and the Taliban alone until they take down all the tall buildings in NA.?

Islam needs to be re-branded,it's core is a very bad idea and it will NEVER be peaceful..ever! If allowed to breed the hate it does now mark my words...there will be a nuke war very soon.

Ummm... Islam wasn't around in 733 BC.

But if we're going to go that far back in time, I think between the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, American Revolution, French Revolution, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq War, both Afghan Wars and countless other imperialist expeditions started by Europeans.... I think the Whiteys have Muslims beat in this category.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You sir are a complete and utter idiot.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's a shame about the personal attacks

Yeah, a real shame.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Ummm... Islam wasn't around in 733 BC.

But if we're going to go that far back in time, I think between the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, American Revolution, French Revolution, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq War, both Afghan Wars and countless other imperialist expeditions started by Europeans.... I think the Whiteys have Muslims beat in this category.

Yes I'm aware the prophet Muh(whats his name) wasn't invented yet but an early addition of "Allah" was being formed in persia who hated jews and italians

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yes I'm aware the prophet Muh(whats his name) wasn't invented yet but an early addition of "Allah" was being formed in persia who hated jews and italians

Are you on ####ing crack?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by T@T

Yes I'm aware the prophet Muh(whats his name) wasn't invented yet but an early addition of "Allah" was being formed in persia who hated jews and italians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Abrahamic_religions

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Ummm... Islam wasn't around in 733 BC.

But if we're going to go that far back in time, I think between the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, American Revolution, French Revolution, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Korean War, Iraq War, both Afghan Wars and countless other imperialist expeditions started by Europeans.... I think the Whiteys have Muslims beat in this category.

Interesting choice.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You sir are a complete and utter idiot.

That's a pretty interesting post considering your crusade against me saying I personally attack posters.

That's a flat out insta-ban, imo, but not my call. Good lord.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by KevanGuy

Yeah, a real shame.

He doesn't notice things like that when it comes from himself. It's truly unbelievable.