Steinberg's Slant: Curtis Glencross

[northcrunk]

There is no way GlenX is worth $6 mil/per. His value is ok right now and he has picked up his play lately. I still think he is not a part of this teams future.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Sign him to a retirement contract if he wants one. He has been a great Flame and he deserves it. 113 goals as a Flame.

If players who don't deserve a retirement contract can get one (Stajan) why can't the Flames give one to a player who does?

And besides, what is wrong with paying a person the proper going rate for their job?

The Stajan contract was a mistake (too long), hopefully the Flames don't make another mistake and sign Glencross to a 5 year deal or something else ridiculous.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I really don't think he has any value beyond this current contract. When he's engaged he's a good player, but that's only when he is actually engaged. Also, you can already see he's not as quick as he used to be and once that continues to leave him, you're going to end up with a pretty useless NHL player.

you are out of your mind if you think he is only worth $2.5 million.

He has comparible stats to first line left wingers like Pasqual Dupuis who makes $3.75. He has much better numbers than other wingers like David Jones, David Clarkson, Nick Folingo, Derik Brassard and others.

You discredit yourself by suggesting he isn't a hell of a bargain at his current salary.

He will be one of the top UFAs on the market this offseason and will cash in big time. IF the Flames are able to convince him to stay - big IF - it will be for more than $4 million per season and be at a huge hometown discount at that price.

Personally I am a big fan of his. As a fan of the Flames I think he fits in well in the market, the team, and leads by example. I hope we keep him. As a fan of Glencross, I hope he goes to the open market and hits an absolute home run in the Eastern Conference.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

you are out of your mind if you think he is only worth $2.5 million.

He has comparible stats to first line left wingers like Pasqual Dupuis who makes $3.75. He has much better numbers than other wingers like David Jones, David Clarkson, Nick Folingo, Derik Brassard and others.

You discredit yourself by suggesting he isn't a hell of a bargain at his current salary.

He will be one of the top UFAs on the market this offseason and will cash in big time. IF the Flames are able to convince him to stay - big IF - it will be for more than $4 million per season and be at a huge hometown discount at that price.

Personally I am a big fan of his. As a fan of the Flames I think he fits in well in the market, the team, and leads by example. I hope we keep him. As a fan of Glencross, I hope he goes to the open market and hits an absolute home run in the Eastern Conference.

His present contract is clearly one of the best bargains (outside rookie contracts) in the league. I agree he's goin to sign either here for 4 or elsewhere for more. At his age, though, term is a huge issue (especially with his playing style).

[killer_carlson]

term will be an issue. His playing style though...it isn't going to be shoulders or back, but knees that are the risk. I see him hitting people, punching people, getting involved in a scrum, but i don't recall him hitting with the ferocity of Bouma or Sarich for example. His playing style is built through his speed and he plays best when playing with a fast skating center so he can attack the opposing defender at pace.

[Nehkara]

I always really liked Glencross up until last season. Since then he has just seemed to be lazy. He was never that way before. He doesn't skate hard, he doesn't forecheck effectively (which was his biggest strength IMO before). I think he is very lucky to have the numbers he does this season.

Just my opinion.

[jemjey]

As someone who has been in the "Glencross-haters" camp in previous seasons, I completely agree (with the article). He has played great this season and I haven't seen any of the "poutiness" and not nearly as many dumb penalties.

I think the main difference between me and the rest of the haters is I'm not afraid to be proven wrong. Especially when that means a core player (and more importantly, the team) is having a great season. I feel like some of you haters are clinging so tightly to your previous statements, assumptions, or observations that you're manufacturing all these problems so you can have a gripe with him. You're seeing what you want to see.

Is he a perfect player? Of course not. But this season he has been good, filled a role, and had the right attitude (from the interviews I watched).

There's no shame in changing your opinions or conclusions based on new evidence.

In conclusion...

[Mister Yamoto]

I'm actually looking forward to the next time the Flames are right up against the cap.

No reason for them to have the lowest payroll in the league. For the Flames to become contenders again they are going to have to start paying good players what the market says they are worth.

I get a kick out of posters who talk about NHL contracts as if the money is coming out of their own pockets.

[GreenLantern]

It does worry me that he is playing so well. What? This is a contract year and we are seeing very consistent play from a usually very inconsistent player. I still hope that the Flames aren't the team that pays him.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not as worried about money as I am about term. We have cap room now, but the cap issues in the past were all caused by long term deals.

Glencross' problem here is that, while he is indeed having a good year, and his play has actually improved over the season so far, he's in a position where the Flames have long term depth IMO. So sort term - great. Long term with lots of money, not so much.

In a sane world I think Glencross would take 3 years, $4.25 million AAV. God knows what his agent is whispering in his ear though.

I'm looking forward to seeing if his shooting percentage improves over the rest of the season. In the past he's been a true sniper with that wrist shot and we've yet to see that this season.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

Would it ever be possible to perform a sign-and-trade in the NHL?

Is there some CBA reason that NHLers don't get signed-and-traded?

Kris Russell was acquired in a sign and trade

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I think it would be very difficult with Glencross because he's made comments earlier in the year indicating he had every intention of going to UFA status to see what his worth was on the open market. Can't see him signing an extension in any situation, unless he's getting 6+million a year, which hopefully will never happen here.

Do you have a link for this? I don't think he said that. What I remember him saying was that he wants fair market value and doesn't think he should take another discount,

But in no way does that mean that he wouldn't sign an extension or that he has every intension of going to UFA status.

[Walter Reed]

I believe Glencross has been undervalued by Flame fans for years. Still hurts knowing Klowe could have kept him but played chicken with him at contract time and lost.

[killer_carlson]

If he hits the market, I believe Edmonton will be a club making him an offer.

[Vinny01]

If he took the same deal as Stajan I could live with it. He has been a solid player but I like our left wing prospects, Raymond is signed for another 2 years, and I am against giving him a big money long term deal.

[Vulcan]

With this being an article from the Flames site, I take it to be a precursor of us signing him. Get use to it.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I'm actually looking forward to the next time the Flames are right up against the cap.

No reason for them to have the lowest payroll in the league. For the Flames to become contenders again they are going to have to start paying good players what the market says they are worth.

I get a kick out of posters who talk about NHL contracts as if the money is coming out of their own pockets.

Do you have any idea what a boat anchor Glencross will be to this team 4-5 years down the road when we are really humming? With him sulking on/off the ice, in and out of the press box, giving well worded "Fleury type" sound bites about why he should be playing bigger minutes..,No thanks we got a deal in his last contract, let some other team over pay him in dollars and term on the next.

We all thought we'd miss Cammy allot more than we actually do.

[killer_carlson]

funny, i don't ever recall Glencross giving a sound bite like what you describe. Please provide clips.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

funny, i don't ever recall Glencross giving a sound bite like what you describe. Please provide clips.

Just listen to him speak he seems to be quite eloquent.

[Vulcan]

We all thought we'd miss Cammy allot more than we actually do.

We had ready replacements with our prospects for small winger Cammy such as Granlund, Gaudreau, or Baertschi. Given our teams small size replacing Glencross on our first line won't be as easy. Colborne or Backlund may work but that means taking them from another position and then that position needs to be replaced.