Treliving on Sportsnet 590

[edslunch]

Treliving didn't know what he really had, he said exactly that, so he might have made some different moves in hindsight - Setoguchi? Bollig?. No fault in that, he's new to the team and the kids hadn't proven anything yet.

I think signings like Raymond and Hiller, while modest, sent a message that the Flames aren't just rolling over and tanking even if they're not swinging for the fences. That's a positive to me.

He's managed the team in a calm, consistent, principled way so far - so far so good.

At the end of the day he hasn't made his mark yet so it's too early to really judge him.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Just playing devil's advocate here, but what exactly has Treliving done so far? He gives nice sounding interviews, but really, bringing in guys like Setoguchi, Bolig and Engelland hasn't worked out all that well.

He signed Hiller.

[Da_Chief]

^That's a not a positive.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^That's a not a positive.

What exactly do you have against Hiller?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^That's a not a positive.

[868904]

All these people complaining about the Bollig, Setoguchi, Raymond acqusitions just don't understand the point of them.

They were designed to create a competitive environment that forces the young players to compete and "earn" their ice time and that is exactly what has happened.

By contrast, the Oilers did the exact opposite and left spots open for their young players and look what that has gotten them.

Furthermore, the Bollig and Engelland acquisitions were designed to create a sense of security for the young players. I haven't seen too many liberties taken against the young Flames. Other teams know that they will have to answer the bell if they try and intimidate the Flames.

[PeteMoss]

I still think the Engelland/Bollig signing/trade were done under the assumption the team was going to be terrible. Its one thing to suck, its another thing to suck and get physically dominated night after night.

He also obviously under-estimated the demise of the 'goon' in the game.

[_Q_]

Yeah and instead of Engelland one-punching Phaneuf last night for cheapshotting Gaudreau, he proceded to act like a pilon on the first goal.

If Engelland isn't going to score, looks like garbage in his own end and isn't willing to fight, what exactly is he getting paid 2.9 million for?

[Jason14h]

I'm wondering who has declared Treliving anything yet? I haven't seen posts saying good or bad really at this point.

The offseason was done with the expectation of being a non-playoff team and ensuring the kids aren't thrown into situations they can't handle ala Edmonton.

What he used the cap space and potential extra assets with the emergence of young players will determine how he is as a GM

[Svartsengi]

Treliving did sign brodie to a nice extension, setoguchi was low risk and worth a shot, Engelland can always play forward if he struggles defensively something he did in pittsburgh and looked good on fourth line.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Yeah and instead of Engelland one-punching Phaneuf last night for cheapshotting Gaudreau, he proceded to act like a pilon on the first goal.

If Engelland isn't going to score, looks like garbage in his own end and isn't willing to fight, what exactly is he getting paid 2.9 million for?

Exactly, made himself useless last night and probably cost himself a job. Someone should have punched phaneuf last night. He was running around taking librities all game. Would have been a good one for mcgratton or bollig to play in. Or at least have Ferland step up and shatter his face.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

Treliving did sign brodie to a nice extension, setoguchi was low risk and worth a shot, Engelland can always play forward if he struggles defensively something he did in pittsburgh and looked good on fourth line.

Engelland also has a reputation for being a good locker room presence and is a health and fitness fanatic from what I heard. I think a part of the signing was to bring in positive role models for new professionals.

[Fire]

Treliving:

The good:
- The Brodie extension was a work of genius. He could have signed him $6 million per year for the next 5 years and no one hear would blink. This contract should help lowering contract demands of other Flame players.
- Signing Hiller. The Flames needed another capable starter until Ortio is ready to make the jump. Treliving managed to it without having to sign a UFA goalie to a long-term deal.
- Signing Mason Raymond. Raymond isn't a perfect player but he helps replace some of the lost production from Cammalleri leaving.

The Bad:
- Trading for Bollig. Turned out to be a bad move in hindsight. He seems too slow for what the Flames are trying to do. Your coach has made him a healthy scratch in favour of younger players. Might not be able to reclaim the 3rd rounder the Flames traded for him. With McGrattan most likely gone next season having Bollig as the 13th or 14th forward next season wouldn't be terrible.

The Ugly:
- Nothing. He hasn't made any big mistakes to this point.

The Meh:
- Signing Setoguchi. I thought it was unnecessary at the time, but his willingness to send him down to the AHL makes this a no harm signing.
- Signing Engelland. Yes he's grossly overpaid, but that's not a negative in the Flames cap situation. The problem with Engelland is that he should be the #7 guy and not the #6 defenseman. Too slow to be a every day player.
- Signing Bouma and Byron in the off-season. Coming from the outside the organization he could have easily have let them walk for nothing. Both players have proven to be useful to the team.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Engelland also has a reputation for being a good locker room presence and is a health and fitness fanatic from what I heard. I think a part of the signing was to bring in positive role models for new professionals.

Haven't been impressed with bollig or engelland but one thing I know was important was bringing in players from environments that were about winning and had good coaching. Worked well with hudler.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Haven't been impressed with bollig or engelland but one thing I know was important was bringing in players from environments that were about winning and had good coaching. Worked well with hudler.

Yeah, I suppose that is a pretty important aspect. Too bad they couldn't be functional players like Hudler though.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Treleving has done nothing for me to like or dislike him so far. A few "meh" signings and an awesome Brodie extension / Hiller signing have me leaning towards a positive opinion. Someone else pointed out, however, you don't have to make big moves all the time to be a great GM. Taking his time to assess the team before pulling the trigger was a great move; one I'm sure many new managers eager to make their mark likely bypass. Losing out on one of our young impact players, or moving one of them in a larger package just before they made the jumps we have seen would have been very disheartening for this team.

Personally, I feel we see who Treleving is as a GM at the upcoming deadline. Management of our current assets (Glencross, our tender tandem, upcoming surge of LW/C prospects) and whatever picks/skaters/prospects come our way should give us a much stronger view of where our brain trust sees this club. The next two summers give Brad a chance to really chisel the identity of this team long-term, and I strongly feel the Brodie contract is an excellent cornerstone.

Off topic, really glad to see Burke recently giving Feaster credit, as I always felt the Weisbroad / Feaster / Hartley trio would do some awesome things for us. I can understand why Jay was let go given the circumstances and (likely) a poor reputation around the league.

It all still feels too good to be true.. The kid in me doesn't want to jinx it, but it really does feel like we have surpassed what is fast approaching decade of no good up north in 18 months. Starting with identity and then adding talent is looking to be the far superior approach than.. Whatever the hell it is they've been trying up there.

Unrelated again.. Wonder if Iginla wishes he only took one year in Colorado?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Unrelated again.. Wonder if Iginla wishes he only took one year in Colorado?

Iginla took a couple shots at winning. Shot down Boston, and then chose Boston. Neither worked out, but he did get paid. This time, it was a choice between another shot and getting paid long term. He chose paid, and I'm sure is happy with his decision.

[bax]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Iginla took a couple shots at winning. Shot down Boston, and then chose Boston. Neither worked out, but he did get paid. This time, it was a choice between another shot and getting paid long term. He chose paid, and I'm sure is happy with his decision.

I don't think it was just about getting paid either. I'm sure he wanted some stability in his life after 3 teams over 2 seasons. He also stated that he wanted to be in a place with some strong minor hockey for his kids. Totally justifiable in his decision to go to the Avalanche.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Fire

Treliving:

The good:
- The Brodie extension was a work of genius. He could have signed him $6 million per year for the next 5 years and no one hear would blink. This contract should help lowering contract demands of other Flame players.
- Signing Hiller. The Flames needed another capable starter until Ortio is ready to make the jump. Treliving managed to it without having to sign a UFA goalie to a long-term deal.
- Signing Mason Raymond. Raymond isn't a perfect player but he helps replace some of the lost production from Cammalleri leaving.

The Bad:
- Trading for Bollig. Turned out to be a bad move in hindsight. He seems too slow for what the Flames are trying to do. Your coach has made him a healthy scratch in favour of younger players. Might not be able to reclaim the 3rd rounder the Flames traded for him. With McGrattan most likely gone next season having Bollig as the 13th or 14th forward next season wouldn't be terrible.

The Ugly:
- Nothing. He hasn't made any big mistakes to this point.

The Meh:
- Signing Setoguchi. I thought it was unnecessary at the time, but his willingness to send him down to the AHL makes this a no harm signing.
- Signing Engelland. Yes he's grossly overpaid, but that's not a negative in the Flames cap situation. The problem with Engelland is that he should be the #7 guy and not the #6 defenseman. Too slow to be a every day player.
- Signing Bouma and Byron in the off-season. Coming from the outside the organization he could have easily have let them walk for nothing. Both players have proven to be useful to the team.

Agreed, but would place Bouma and Byron at the bottom of the good column. Not earthshattering moves, but necessary ones which have turned our well. If the Bollig move is the worst move you have made (which i think it is), that is a pretty good sign.

Notwithstanding the other thread title, I don't see any big moves this year (maybe at the draft). Sign Hartley, manage the kids and deal with Glencross are really all I see on the horizon.

[killer_carlson]

Byron is a guy who could be moved and squeeze us some value. I like the guy and really like his hustle. I think we could replace him in the lineup easier than we could replace some of our other forwards though, and I think we would be selling high on him.