Notes from Nov 19 Practice

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I miss very few games and, as evident with the success of hockey forums, there will always be 100 different opinions.
The Glencross I remember to be effective had a wicked shot, was a power forward and appeared to be fully engaged.

The Glencross of this year has 10 points playing mostly first line and PP minutes, 2 goals...(tipped) and overall just is not playing the flames brand of hockey. Now obviously I am an armchair fan because he continues to get first line minutes from Hartley but surely I am not the only one he sees a much less interested Glencross than the Glencross we have seen in the past.

Jones has the same pts per game (3 goals 2 assists), has played fewer minutes and is good for 1 penalty every 10 games vs the 1+ every second game Glencross is good for.

I don't understand the extreme love for Glenny when CP finds ways to turn on other players so quickly (Wideman, Stajan, Jones)

Are we reading the same site? Glencross is routinely blasted on this site. Daily.

He doesn't look 100% to me - but he is still doing things out there. In particular he provides a net presence that few others on the team do.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I haven't been easy on Glencross over the past couple of years, just recently I claimed I didn't think the Flames would be worse off if he was just traded flat out for no immediate return, but trashing him for this is silly. Veterans earn the right to skip an optional skate, simple as that. If Glencross would rather stay at home with his family this morning than take in another skate, nothing wrong with that. Hell, maybe he bought Far Cry 4 before the game last night and wanted to get in an hour or two, that's fine too.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Optional skate.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Bringing up Hudler (with no indication of any injuries), "taking notes on hustle during line changes", Engelland "seems" to have hurt his hand and is out there skating?

It's just speculation heaped with speculation on top of a predisposition to dislike Glencross because he's not under 25 years old. He still wears an "A" and it certainly doesn't seem like the one guy that sees everything close up and gets to make the call on the lineup and icetime thinks that Glencross missing an optional practice is a big deal.

As Locke said, Glencross is battling through injuries because the Flames are shorthanded as is with guys that can't play (Colborne, Backlund, Stajan and Raymond). If these guys were healthy he'd take a game or two off to recover? Maybe. Bottom line is he's battling through some injuries and he's getting slagged for missing an optional skate. Garbage.

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Maybe because - as is being discussed in this very thread - he's playing through nagging injuries?

I think he's been much better as of late despite this. Either way, count me as another that doesn't get what you're watching.

I got carried away typing and felt although optional, he should be practicing along with the majority of the squad.

Anyone who says Glencross has been as good as he was last year, or the year before, or before that is fooling themselves. I hate using points as a indicator of how a player is playing but they truly dont lie in Glencross' situation.

Many of you assume that calling a player out means I think he should be shipped into the middle of the ocean and never seen again.
In reality, I know Glencross is a incredible face of this team and within the community.

According to some on this board, the injuries have been going on for a while. Why not get back to 100% and come back and be the player we have seen in years past who put the puck in the net and stays out of the box?

[Phanuthier]

I blew a lot of Thanks on this forum... Glencross is probably the biggest whipping boy on this forum for some reason. I see a lot of smart veteran plays from him, but people sometimes only focus on him not skating around like his hair is on fire. He might not be a standout, but he's still a solid player. He might not lay that big hit, but he'll knock his man off the puck and create a turnover... stuff like that just doesn't get noticed enough.

[heep223]

We need Glennie to be playing right now regardless of his production. He is playing against other teams best players and providing stability for Monahan who is playing awesome and also against other teams best players. If I remember correctly through the fog that accompanies doam foam, Glennie and Monny were out against Getzlaf/Perry most of the night....who finished -3.

Edit: -3 each

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Optional skate.

Optional - that everyone else took part in, unless they were hurt or logged huge minutes (Brodie, Gio and Wideman all had 27+). I don't think asking why he didn't is trashing the guy. It sounds like there were reasons, so that's great.

[waner]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I got carried away typing and felt although optional, he should be practicing along with the majority of the squad.

Anyone who says Glencross has been as good as he was last year, or the year before, or before that is fooling themselves. I hate using points as a indicator of how a player is playing but they truly dont lie in Glencross' situation.

Many of you assume that calling a player out means I think he should be shipped into the middle of the ocean and never seen again.
In reality, I know Glencross is a incredible face of this team and within the community.

According to some on this board, the injuries have been going on for a while. Why not get back to 100% and come back and be the player we have seen in years past who put the puck in the net and stays out of the box?

You wonder about the Glencross are seeing this year, I wonder about the Glencross you have seen in the past.

Glencross has always been a streaky scorer, who takes bad penlaties especially in the offensive zone and has "issues" with consistently playing with 100% physical commitment (for lack of a better term).

I don't think Glencross has been awesome this year, but I am seeing the same Glencross that has frustrated me for the past 5 years.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Igster

First day on the Internet?

Regardless, everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it. I'm assuming you are speaking of people giving Glencross a hard time (such as myself), for not playing to his potential and looking disinterested. Oh well, we don't all agree.

No, I was referring to the posting of the fact that he's currently banged up and that's why he skipped today's practice followed by several posters chipping in with "well if he's not injured and just wanted to skip the practice it sets a bad example" etc etc.

Have whatever opinion you want, the internet is full of meaningless banter most people just skip over because it holds no relevance.

[Travis Munroe]

Anyway, didnt mean to fire some people up but in the process got some answers to things I didnt know (injuries).
Without saying a specific name - we have a winger who has no where near the goals he did last year, is taking wayyy more penalties, is apparently littered with injuries, needs to miss optional skates but is among the leading ice time getters playing on the PP and first line. None of it makes sense to me but again, its all speculation.

Out of curiosity, when players miss a practice and it throws line ups off, how do the coaches adjust? Is an optional skate typically less line work and more "fun" with shootouts and breakaway stretch passes?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Optional - that everyone else took part in, unless they were hurt or logged huge minutes (Brodie, Gio and Wideman all had 27+). I don't think asking why he didn't is trashing the guy. It sounds like there were reasons, so that's great.

Yes, but we should also remember that hockey players are human. They have lives outside of hockey, so we should really give them a break, especially with the big win last night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yes, but we should also remember that hockey players are human. They have lives outside of hockey, so we should really give them a break, especially with the big win last night.

I agree. But they also have a job to do, and optional or no, I believe they are paid enough to show up unless there's a compelling reason. If Setoguchi skipped saying "I'm a veteran and I have a new XBox game to play" I'm sure lots of people would question him. Or if Granlund said "Hey - two points last night. I'm outta here".

Glencross' name jumped out at me because he had less than 20 minutes and because he wasn't hurt as far as I knew. I have now heard from several posters that he was in fact nursing injuries, in which case I completely support taking the maintenance time.

[Itse]

His shooting percentage for this season is a full 10 points below his average and he's getting less offensive zone starts than any defenseman on the team, much less than his usual share. Yet somehow he's still on pace for his regular 40ish points. At a very reasonable price. Without complaining. And he's handling his defensive duties very well.

Yet people keep on complaining, year in, year out, essentially every damned game recently. Sad really.

[tvp2003]

Just want to thank Realtor1 for calling out Glencross -- clearly the kick in the pants needed to get him going on the scoresheet

Can you now do something about Setoguchi?

[aedge]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Oh, I know he's entitled to do so. But there are other vets who didn't. Smid, who played top 4 minutes, McGrattan, who I suspect plays every minute of practice hard.

If it was maintenance, fine. But if not, when the whole team aside from the top Dmen and injured take the skate after a SO win, and you are the only veteran sitting, perhaps it's the wrong message.

Glenx has been playing well as of late not great but still producing why does everyone hate him so much?


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[Buck Murdock]

Someone get Glencross some aspri-creme and some tensor bandages.

[calumniate]

Edit, good point robbery

[ThatsRobbery]

Uh why are we bumping a practice thread from 2 months ago?

[FBI]

At least I was smart enough not to read the entire thread this time.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Ah, the ol' Nov 19 Practice Thread.

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bump this thread after the notable events* of today.

Glad to see I wasn't the only person thinking that.



*There were no related notable events today.