[News] Update: Treliving confirms Flames will work towards getting Hartley re-signed

[Dagger]

Bob Hartley's performance is not something that can really be assessed by record. His job has become that of an educator above all else, and the development of our young players has been excellent under his tenure. He deserves an extension for that alone.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by DOOM

My point was the could of down better under another coach, not saying that would of happened though.

...Possibly, sure. The flames didn't go undefeated, so yes they could have done better.

You're entirely missing the point. The effect Hartley had on the team is best demonstrated by looking at the roster last year, then looking at the on-ice product and the performance. He got more than expected out of the group.

Yes, there was probably a little more in the tank that he could have squeezed out, but man he got pretty well as much as anyone could. I challenge you to name a coach available last year that you believe would have been better for this team. Until you back up your viewpoint with a coherent argument, you're just making random statements.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

...Possibly, sure. The flames didn't go undefeated, so yes they could have done better.

You're entirely missing the point. The effect Hartley had on the team is best demonstrated by looking at the roster last year, then looking at the on-ice product and the performance. He got more than expected out of the group.

Yes, there was probably a little more in the tank that he could have squeezed out, but man he got pretty well as much as anyone could. I challenge you to name a coach available last year that you believe would have been better for this team. Until you back up your viewpoint with a coherent argument, you're just making random statements.

Im not making random statements.

Im not a fan of rewarding 25th and 27th place finishes with long extensions.

I just don't see the current rush to re-sign him.


Hartley has been great so far with the Flames, id personally let him show his worth the rest of the year and then talk contract.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Im not making random statements.

Im not a fan of rewarding 25th and 27th place finishes with long extensions.

I just don't see the current rush to re-sign him.


Hartley has been great so far with the Flames, id personally let him show his worth the rest of the year and then talk contract.

From an isolated asset management perspective, I understand that. However these are people who think about the future, about building the team beyond just this season. Despite how professional Hartley is when he insists that his future contract will not affect his current job, believe me, it affects him and it affects the players approach to his systems especially.

Beyond that, I think a good chunk of CP here simply likes what he's done, and thinks the contract is good for both the team and for the guy as a person.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by devo22

Brent Sutter got way better results (16th, 17th and 17th) and most fans were glad to see him leave. The overall record doesn't even tell a tenth of the whole story and you know it.

Hartley deserves a 2 or 3 year extension, his work in Calgary has been outstanding.

Agreed. The only reason Jay Bouwmeester had any trade value was because of Hartley. The way better "results" were because Brent still had a 30 goal Iginla plus Kiprusoff on his lineup sheet.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think it is tough to just give a coach a one-year contract. What is that saying? 1-year renewals aren't exactly a ringing endorsement.

Then you are setting yourself up for another half-season of "When are they going to re-sign Hartley?". I don't think anyone really assumed Hartley was a lame-duck coach, but give him only one year, and I bet there would be some questions. I think you have to give him a 2+ year deal if you are going to sign him at all.

First time up-and-coming coaches? 1 year deals. Coaches that have been fired and have been out of work for a while (like Hartley a couple of seasons back)? 1 year deals. Coaches that have been lauded within the organization and externally by the hockey community as a whole, and their respective media? 2 years minimum I think. Bet he gets 3.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

The team responds well to him and there is no harm in extending him.

We're ahead of the curve at this point, especially scoring. The team is fun to watch. He's entitled to see this through for the next 2 seasons.

It's not like he can't be fired if it starts to head south.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Im not making random statements.

Im not a fan of rewarding 25th and 27th place finishes with long extensions.

I just don't see the current rush to re-sign him.


Hartley has been great so far with the Flames, id personally let him show his worth the rest of the year and then talk contract.

He's good,players seem to like him, why not sign him?

It's not like it's going to be some unfirable contract. The owners are saving on cash of late with the low payroll anyways.

It sends a good message to the organization to reward people who have done their job well evening if you aren't a Burke/Treliving guy.

[FlamesAddiction]

If we don't extend him, he probably becomes one of the most valuable coaches on the market next summer. He wouldn't be out of a job for long.

Might as well get it done... I say 3 years. Most coaches with some leverage get 3 year terms.

[GioforPM]

I don't think there's a rush but also think he should be extended during this year, barring some sort of huge change in the team play. I don't think it's an issue overhanging on the team that he hasn't been extended yet.

I think 2 years is fine in rebuild mode. It might turn out he's not the guy to take the step after the pieces are all there.

[FanIn80]

Jay Feaster (@therealjfeaster) tweeted at 8:43pm - 13 Nov 14:

Would someone PLEASE research Bob Hartley's record in 1st game back off long trip in Cgy? Synthesize, bottle, and SELL his formula! UNREAL

[BigFlameDog]

He will get three years minimum and it's not even a question IMO.

He would probably, and rightfully, turn down a one year offer....slap in the face.

[Robbob]

I think 3 years is ideal for both parties. IMO in three years we should be a playoff team with the current trajectory. When the third year is over, Treliving can decide if Hartley is the right coach to take them to the next level.

[Hammertime]

Doesn't really matter to me how many years they sign him to or the salary. a) it's not my money b) they are free to fire him whenever they want c) there's no cap hit or any implications whatsoever if they do fire him.

Just pay the man his money.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hammertime

Doesn't really matter to me how many years they sign him to. a) it's not my money b) they are free to fire him whenever they want c) there's no cap hit or any implications whatsoever if they.

Just pay the man his money.

Haha. I was thinking the same thing. Why are people concerned about the contract details?? Since when was a coach's contract the reason he was kept?

[The Yen Man]

If anything, you at least want to keep Hartley on just for continuity sake if possible. You don't want the team changing coaches every couple of years. And since the team seems to have responded well to Hartley, I have no problem if they extend him for 3 years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Agreed. The only reason Jay Bouwmeester had any trade value was because of Hartley. The way better "results" were because Brent still had a 30 goal Iginla plus Kiprusoff on his lineup sheet.

I agree that Hartley should get an extension. He has done a great job on the rebuild and did a great job the year with Iginla. Sutter did a great job as well. Nobody could get that team to win. It had a gutless core, awful leadership and a captain that refused to buy into the concept of team. As evidenced by 4 coaches sucking with that group, it was irrelevant who the coach was.

But re-sign Hartley to a 3 year deal, he has scrubbed clean that awful culture that the Flames developed under the former group of players. It is as if Giordano has forgot he ever played with that band of losers.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Hartley promised from day 1 that this team would compete and be fun to watch, even if they don't win many games. We wanted to finish where we did in the standings as a rebuilding team and somehow the last couple seasons have been the funnest to watch in years. When the majority of games were close until the end, it was easy to see that the Flames were turning the corner. Hartley has been a man of his word and has a very determined look in his eyes when being interviewed. He seriously sees the playoffs in the Flames near future.

I'm just shocked how many people thought the Flames would do worse this year just because we lost Cammy. Prospects mature and a team that works hard is now competing well and winning the games they were previously losing by 1 goal.

[FlamingLonghorn]

If the Flames offer him only a 1 year extension, he will likely be coaching elsewhere next year.