Are people who follow their dreams a bit out to lunch?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It's funny that you bring up Steve Jobs. I always thought that he represented a Planner, and that it was Steve Wozniak who was the Dreamer. Not to downplay any of Jobs's achievements, but without Wozniak, he would have spent his life selling life insurance in Delaware.

Neither of them were dreamers though, they both had regular jobs in the industry, persued their interest in their spare time, both were keenly aware of the potential for what they were doing but also aware it could be nothing but a hobby.

[V]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

My dream is to go out for lunch for a bit.

In the middle of the afternoon? That's ridiculous.

[Kybosh]

Dreaming is easy but the follow through is hard. As far as I'm concerned, the world needs more dreamers but only those that can make a plan and act on it.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by troutman

6 years? SNL writers prepare a show in 3 days.

I wish they'd take a little longer. The show is unwatchable now, especially last season. I tried thinking of the last memorable episode I watched that didn't have Justin Timberlake. The one that comes to mind are Peyton Manning/Carrie Underwood in 2007, Bon Jovi/Foo Fighters in 2007, Anne Hathaway/The Killers in 2008, and Jon Hamm/Coldplay in 2008. It's been a steep downhill slide for a while. They should start writing now for 2015.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

It's funny that you bring up Steve Jobs. I always thought that he represented a Planner, and that it was Steve Wozniak who was the Dreamer. Not to downplay any of Jobs's achievements, but without Wozniak, he would have spent his life selling life insurance in Delaware.

Wozniak without Jobs would probably have retired working for HP and been an no-name garage tinkerer of electronics. It was Jobs who kept pushing and marketing the product. Woz never wanted the limelight. Jobs was a compulsive, greedy businessman, even down to lying to Wozniak about their payout from Atari (when Wozniak was doing all the work) so that Jobs could keep the money for himself for arranging the deal.

Bill Gates sort of combined both of those. He was a computer programming genius and cut-throat businessman in one.

[Hack&Lube]

Good dreamers could be in the "visionary" quadrant to the bottom right but have no ability to execute...but a lot of dreamers don't even have a complete vision and will remain niche players never amounting to anything. Challengers might not have a complete vision, but at least they are executing on what they've got and trying to compete. That's the philosophy of at least working hard at something (or something else) while you develop your dream/vision.

[Harry Lime]

It's almost as though without elements of both personalities in every venture, everyone suffers. Problems seem to arise when someone believes that they are something that they are not, instead of finding and nurturing a relationship with someone who holds the missing attributes.

Anytime someone downplays the abilities of their opposite, it's a bit like shooting yourself in the foot in terms of maximizing mutual growth. Having said that, having the ability to make your dream come to fruition is a pretty important part of the equation. Having a 'Planner' there to take that dream to the next level is much like handing off a ball to the running back.

My personal dream is that I cared enough about this train of thought to continue and keep it cohesive, so at this time I shall bid you adieu.

[Harry Lime]

Gartner's Magic Quadrant makes me want to create an Alfonzo's Galactic Decahedron.

[Bill Bumface]

My favorite example of someone who quit to pursue their passion, Ken Jeong:



Pretty ballsy to quit your very well paying job to try go that route... and having a wife that says yes.

I'd imagine he at least had a realistic idea of his abilities as a comedian/actor at the time he did it, because, well, he's rich now. The people that delude themselves and think the grass will be way greener, when most can tell there is no way it will be are the ones that I have a hard time with.

[SeeGeeWhy]

Passion is a completely misunderstood and misused word. When you are passionate about something, it means you are willing to suffer for it - not that it's a prolonged subject of interest or fascination.

The reference to Cal Newport is an excellent one. In it, he argues that passion can be cultivated no matter what your circumstances.

Ther are also ways to develop mastery in a field that allows one to pursue a creative freedom in pursuit of a vision. Half assing a screenplay for six years isn't following a dream, it's hiding from life. That man could just as easily take up a job that immerses him in the environment where screenplays are either written or reviewed or converted into film, and learn exactly what it takes to write an excellent screenplay. Instead he is wasting his life, that is not following a dream; the only one with passion in that scenario is his wife - she is passionate about her marriage because she is suffering greatly to maintain it.

To answer the question, no, people who truly follow their dreams are not out to lunch. Life is short, and people who actually live a life consistent with their truest self and what they believe to be their purpose live fulfilling lives that ultimately produce tremendous gifts for themselves and those that are lucky enough to be in their lives.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Sliver

and you come off as a jerk if you poke holes in their fantasy.

You don't "come off as a jerk" when you do something like this, you "are a jerk" when you do something like this. Fine line, I know, but it exists.

If this isn't a person in your family, if you aren't responsible for them, then who are you to tell them how to live their life? What's it to you?

Originally Posted by Sliver

The other annoying thing about these types is they think they're so interesting relative to a typical 9 to fiver

If they think they are more interesting than everyone else, that's just an ass####. Doesn't matter what he does for a living (or doesn't, as the case may be). I've met plenty of corporate drones (in my life as a corporate drone) that do exactly the same thing.

[icecube]

To be good enough to write a screenplay that will sell should take a person close to a decade. You don't learn the craft overnight. You have to be out to lunch to chase a dream like that because Hollywood isn't an easy nut to crack.

[fatso]

what if your dream is to troll people by disingenuously creating question-type threads, merely to create an opportunity to complain about your feelings or to take an extreme positions on social matters? And what if... dun dun dun... you're good at it?!?

[To Be Quite Honest]

I understand what your saying.

I can't stand companies that charge the maximum they possibly can because I believe in responsible consumerism. Businesses have a responsibility to make a profit, but not to molest our wallets.

I have a goal set for Calgary where there is an affordable, quality production company that is attainable for successful companies. I'm just about finished building the website which I'm pretty proud of. I have a group of writers, cameramen, effects people, voice work (still accepting send me your reels!), and graphic artists (for video not paper) and sales people. I've been building a business that will pay everyone fairly. This is my dream. To create a media business that pays everyone, and is able to grow and catch wind. I have had many friends work for local media companies and their pay is paltry.

It's taken a toll on my room-mate and I as there is little I can help with. Everything has been poured into it. One month I couldn't make the full rent. I felt like an a-hole but there was no choice. She understood that and has been a champ. I've always been in the entertainment world, and I'm looking forward to the release, but it wouldn't be possible without my roommate and her awesomeness.

I guess, if you have a plan to pursue your dreams then go for it. Sometimes we can get into our heads and over think things. I have a hard time with that as I was too hard on myself to a point that is isn't healthy, but knowing that was half the battle. I was far less productive when I was hard on myself and soon I'm going to have a lot of people depend on me. (No Stress!)

Pursue those dreams but have a plan and follow it.

[Sliver]

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[jar_e]

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[WilsonFourTwo]

I chased the 'Professional referee' dream for a while and never really reached any notable measure of success. I likely moved on a few years too soon to really be certain it wasn't going to happen but had to embrace reality at some point. Still, I look back at those years as something I'm proud of and glad I did.

The hardest part (imo) of chasing a dream isn't the actual pursuit, it's having the courage to accept that it's time to move on. To be honest, even though I never attained any notable success, the dedication and perserverance against the odds was a trememdous experience that's helped me for years and years....

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Depends. Does your dream have an "end goal" of making yourself self-sufficient and other people successful?

Or is your dream just an excuse to stay home, wake up at 11am and teach a 1 hour yoga class every week while your partner holds down two jobs to keep the lights on and food on the table?

I feel many "dreamers" use their dream as a more honourable excuse for not working and be an adult.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

My favorite example of someone who quit to pursue their passion, Ken Jeong:



Pretty ballsy to quit your very well paying job to try go that route... and having a wife that says yes.

I'd imagine he at least had a realistic idea of his abilities as a comedian/actor at the time he did it, because, well, he's rich now. The people that delude themselves and think the grass will be way greener, when most can tell there is no way it will be are the ones that I have a hard time with.

My understanding is that Ken did it as part time for fun while still being a doctor and once he gained success, decided he could probably quit his day job and just act full time.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by fatso

what if your dream is to troll people by disingenuously creating question-type threads, merely to create an opportunity to complain about your feelings or to take an extreme positions on social matters? And what if... dun dun dun... you're good at it?!?

How does this post not have any thanks?