10-29-2014, 10:47 AM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Give me a break. They won in spite of him, not because of him.
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He was a top 4 d-man, and set up the only goal in a 1-0 semi-final win.
Saying they won in spite of him is ridiculous.
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10-29-2014, 10:48 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Give me a break. They won in spite of him, not because of him.
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Seriously? I agree that Canada didn't win because of him but there are very few teams who can say they won because of one player. Saying they won in spite of him implies he was a negative on that team. Bouwmeester, like every member of that team did what the coaches asked of him and played the textbook perfect game.
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10-29-2014, 11:01 AM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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You guys know that Matt Cooke has a stanley cup ring too, right? It doesn't really matter though, it's a petty argument and people aren't going to change my opinions on Bouwmeester.
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10-29-2014, 11:04 AM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Matt Cooke played a fairly good role in Pittsburgh's win to a cup. That's when they had a great bottom 6. I strongly dislike Cooke but he earned that ring.
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10-29-2014, 11:08 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
You guys know that Matt Cooke has a stanley cup ring too, right? It doesn't really matter though, it's a petty argument and people aren't going to change my opinions on Bouwmeester.
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"I know I'm making outlandish comments I can't back up, but no one's allowed to challenge me about it." ok.
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10-29-2014, 11:08 AM
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#46
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
You guys know that Matt Cooke has a stanley cup ring too, right? It doesn't really matter though, it's a petty argument and people aren't going to change my opinions on Bouwmeester.
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You're right. Despite all the sample evidence people are going to stubbornly cling onto their irrational hate-on for Bouwmeester.
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10-29-2014, 11:13 AM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
You guys know that Matt Cooke has a stanley cup ring too, right? It doesn't really matter though, it's a petty argument and people aren't going to change my opinions on Bouwmeester.
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If Bouwmeester was truly as bad as you make him out to be, Babcock would have given Subban more than a "here, so you can at least get a medal" game.
Hate him for not meeting expectations when he was a Flame, being overpaid or his style of play leaving something to be desired/not the right fit. But claims that Team Canada won "in spite" of Bouwmeester is a rather foolish opinion and simply incorrect.
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10-29-2014, 11:14 AM
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#48
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
You're right. Despite all the sample evidence people are going to stubbornly cling onto their irrational hate-on for Bouwmeester.
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Yeah, you're right, all the evidence! A picture of Bouwmeester standing beside Toews! Sweet evidence.
Bouwmeester played fewer minutes than Doughty, Weber, Keith, and Pietrangelo in both the semifinal and the final of the Olympics. How is being the #5 defenseman considered a significant role?
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10-29-2014, 11:18 AM
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#49
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
If Bouwmeester was truly as bad as you make him out to be, Babcock would have given Subban more than a "here, so you can at least get a medal" game.
Hate him for not meeting expectations when he was a Flame, being overpaid or his style of play leaving something to be desired/not the right fit. But claims that Team Canada won "in spite" of Bouwmeester is a rather foolish opinion and simply incorrect.
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Bouwmeester is an excellent defenceman. He only looked terrible when he was paired with Butler. Bobby Orr would struggle with Butler as his partner.
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10-29-2014, 11:21 AM
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#50
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Yeah, you're right, all the evidence! A picture of Bouwmeester standing beside Toews! Sweet evidence.
Bouwmeester played fewer minutes than Doughty, Weber, Keith, and Pietrangelo in both the semifinal and the final of the Olympics. How is being the #5 defenseman considered a significant role?
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A #5 defenseman on Team Canada...
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10-29-2014, 11:25 AM
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#51
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Yeah, you're right, all the evidence! A picture of Bouwmeester standing beside Toews! Sweet evidence.
Bouwmeester played fewer minutes than Doughty, Weber, Keith, and Pietrangelo in both the semifinal and the final of the Olympics. How is being the #5 defenseman considered a significant role?
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**On Team Canada
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10-29-2014, 11:35 AM
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#52
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
A #5 defenseman on Team Canada...
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It doesn't matter whether it's team Canada or St. Louis or Calgary, a #5 defenseman isn't considered a significant role. That's like saying Engelland plays a significant role on our team. You could've replaced Bouwmeester with any number of players and Team Canada would've still won those games.
If you guys really want to stick it to me bump this thread in May when Bouwmeester helps lead St. Louis to the Western Conference final, which was my original point.
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10-29-2014, 11:54 AM
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#53
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
It doesn't matter whether it's team Canada or St. Louis or Calgary, a #5 defenseman isn't considered a significant role. That's like saying Engelland plays a significant role on our team. You could've replaced Bouwmeester with any number of players and Team Canada would've still won those games.
If you guys really want to stick it to me bump this thread in May when Bouwmeester helps lead St. Louis to the Western Conference final, which was my original point.
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If Gio had made the team instead I kinda doubt you'd have made the same claim.
A number 5 d-man in the Olympics is still playing against the best of the US, Russia, Sweden et al for whatever minutes he plays.
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10-29-2014, 11:57 AM
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#54
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Ask Jamie Benn if JayBo was any good in the game against the US.
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10-29-2014, 12:06 PM
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#55
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Komskies
Give me a break. They won in spite of him, not because of him.
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Your bitter bias says nothing about Bouwmeester, but it says a great deal about you.
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10-29-2014, 12:08 PM
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#56
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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hard to criticize anyone on Team Canada over their defense when their performance is widely considered the most dominant defensive performance in international hockey history
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10-29-2014, 12:09 PM
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#57
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Canada 1, United States 0
First Period
No Scoring.
Penalties — Suter U.S. (stick holding) 10:53, Marleau Cda (holding) 15:58.
Second Period
1. Canada, Benn 1 (Bouwmeester) 21:41.
Penalties — Getzlaf Cda (high-sticking) 23:16, Kunitz Cda (slashing) 35:23.
Third Period
No Scoring.
Penalties — Kessel U.S. (hooking) 49:56.
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10-29-2014, 01:49 PM
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#58
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Komskies
Bouwmeester played fewer minutes than Doughty, Weber, Keith, and Pietrangelo in both the semifinal and the final of the Olympics. How is being the #5 defenseman considered a significant role?
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Team Canada iced Bouwmeester instead of Subban. So by your reasoning, no team with Subban in the lineup will ever accomplish anything. Am I doing this right?
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