11-03-2014, 08:51 PM
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what i really dont get is that power rankings usually show teams that are trending up or trending down. If you have a good couple games you move up. but apparently this doesnt apply to calgary cause "they wont be able to keep it up" which completely circumvents the entire reason for power rankings....
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11-04-2014, 07:01 AM
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#42
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Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)
what i really dont get is that power rankings usually show teams that are trending up or trending down. If you have a good couple games you move up. but apparently this doesnt apply to calgary cause "they wont be able to keep it up" which completely circumvents the entire reason for power rankings....
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No team will be able to 'keep it up' playing without the puck as much as Calgary did early.
TSN rankings solid... and suggested exactly that: That the Flames couldn't keep winning while defending all the time. This is pretty obvious.
The Flames have played with the puck a lot more, recently.
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While the Flames have been asking a lot of their goaltenders, they've been getting better in that respect. Since getting outshot 50-18 in a 2-1 overtime win against Chicago on October 15, the Flames have carried 55.6% of the unblocked shot attempts in score close situations. Small samples and all that, but if it's any kind of relief for Jonas Hiller and Karri Ramo, then maybe the Flames can sustain some of this success.
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-power-rankings...-2014-1.123887
Last edited by EldrickOnIce; 11-04-2014 at 07:05 AM.
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11-04-2014, 07:22 AM
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#43
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I never understood why people work themselves up into such a lather over "power rankings."
Some subjective list put together but some person to delineate how much "power" each team has? There are much better things to get even superficially worked up over.
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11-04-2014, 07:40 AM
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
I never understood why people work themselves up into such a lather over "power rankings."
Some subjective list put together but some person to delineate how much "power" each team has? There are much better things to get even superficially worked up over.
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I never understand posts like this. Isn't the whole point of an online forum to work ourselves up with a lather over superficial things?
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11-04-2014, 07:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
I never understood why people work themselves up into such a lather over "power rankings."
Some subjective list put together but some person to delineate how much "power" each team has? There are much better things to get even superficially worked up over.
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I look at these power rankings as mini reviews of the teams and when it is painfully obvious that certain media outlets are not watching the games only going off of box scores it lends some credence to the fact that they are morons.
It's kind of like Healy. I don't mind negative reviews but at least have a bloody clue what you are taking about when you say it. Saying it for the sake of saying it just kills your creditability.
For the most part I like power rankings as I am not able to follow every team out there as this gives me a quick glimpse (or should at least) of how they are tending in the past week or so.
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11-04-2014, 08:18 AM
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I have to agree that The Score's writer sounds amateurish at best. If you're going to write up a list try not to reference Miley Cyrus' "Wrecking Ball" for (not so funny) laughs. It's pretty awful and not informative in any way. Might as well be a BuzzFeed list.
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11-04-2014, 08:56 AM
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Personally I follow ESPN:s Power Rankings, they're what I'm looking for.
I see power rankings as "educated opinions" from people who hopefully have more time to follow other teams than I do. It's nice to get a short summary of what's going on with a team. The rankings in themselves are a not that important to me, that's what standings are for.
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11-06-2014, 02:26 PM
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For those who like the power rankings this is a good site that lists and averages out several of the main NHL rankings each week. The Score is listed, but that biased low rank evens out not too bad. 13th which is pretty fair IMO
http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2014...ngs-week-four/
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11-06-2014, 02:32 PM
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11-10-2014, 01:04 PM
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Rated 26th by theScore.com this week. With this writeup and tweet from Travis Yost:
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Originally Posted by theScore.com
The Flames lead the league in pluck, minus the p. Also, they lead all Canadian teams in "getting brutally outshot consistently."
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@TravisHeHateMe
Alright, maybe we'll do this all year.
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 11-10-2014 at 01:09 PM.
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11-10-2014, 01:08 PM
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He's not wrong
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11-10-2014, 01:36 PM
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Well it's a good thing I don't believe in luck. What a stupid archaic concept to try and force into an analytical presentation. Luck…gimme a break.
Good teams force the issue and capitalize on their chances. Maybe being outshot regularly isn't going to lead to as many wins as the elite teams, but there is a formula for the Flames current success, and it doesn't seem to matter if they give up a lot of shots from the perimeter and then play a possession game in the offensive zone getting only 1 or 2 great shots every couple of minutes. Since we're talking about this imaginary concept of luck, how about we go for at least a subjective analysis of "scoring chances" per game since at least that doesn't involve fairy dust and leprechauns.
Luck. So sick of that word.
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11-10-2014, 01:38 PM
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Getting outshot is not good. It's worse when you have crap goalies, and we don't.
Frankly, I only can think of a couple times when being outshot but winning that the Flames looked bad.
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11-10-2014, 01:41 PM
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I kind of don't like how blocked shots show up in this kind of analysis. I get that not having the puck is bad, but if the shot attempt is blocked it's a non-event. I dunno.
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11-10-2014, 01:46 PM
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shots and quality of shots are two different things...this guy is obviously just gonna troll the flames to get hits...and its working
I never even heard of the score power rankings before this thread
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11-10-2014, 01:47 PM
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Who cares? It's about the number of shots you put in at the end of the day.
Shooting more also doesn't mean the opposition has had an edge in play. Shots can be fired from the perimeter and will still count. Isn't exactly telling of strong play if the D is keeping shots to the outside where they're far less dangerous. Flames seem to be more picky about their shots, but it's paying off, cause they're making them count.
The Flames have been playing outstanding hockey in the past ten games (except on the D side of things while in florida), and if they've been outshot in many of those, I wouldn't have even known. They're getting it done and it's no fluke.
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11-10-2014, 01:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Rated 26th by theScore.com this week. With this writeup and tweet from Travis Yost:
@TravisHeHateMe
Alright, maybe we'll do this all year.
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Guy is an obvious hater. Who really cares though. Of the 8 sources in the combined chart above we are ranked between 8th and 17th by 7 of the sources, then this idiot at 27th.
The fact he continues to rate the Coilers ahead of the Flames is all you need to see to judge his intelligence in this regard.
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11-10-2014, 02:01 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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This is why I hate advanced stats. Most of the time it's just cherry picking and convoluting numbers to make up whatever narrative you please and to make yourself seem smarter than you are.
"Yeah sure the Flames are off to a hot start, but if you add the goals up, multiple them by shot attempts, divide by quality of opposition and subtract the goalies age, the Flames are actually way behind the rest of the league. This team is not good, my stats prove that. I made a chart about it too "
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11-10-2014, 02:06 PM
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Yeah, I look at that stats chart and I think to myself that the only thing that matters is that Calgary is ahead of all of those teams except Vancouver and Montreal.
Have scored more goals then all but Vancouver and have allowed less goals then all but Winnipeg. So at the end of the day, stat charts like that mean absolutely nothing except to the teams beneath who's fans can lie to themselves and deny that their teams are poop.
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11-10-2014, 02:12 PM
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I must correct myself. That chart does not match real world stats. Not sure what data this is, but it's not even close to reality.
Cumulative EV shot differential as I understand it is total shots for - total shots against.
CGY - (-61)
TOR - (-34)
WPG - (-7)
OTT - (-66)
EDM - (-4)
VAN - (-5)
MON - +3
That makes us third worst, and as you can see, the stat has no bearing on the standings
War-on-ice.com
Edit: Even Strength. Changed to reflect EV
Edit2: Shot attempts he says. Otherwise known as corsi. Meh, who cares. We block shots. It's fine
Last edited by Street Pharmacist; 11-10-2014 at 02:23 PM.
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