Ya controversy aside Manhunt was a very well made and fun to play game. And if you paid attention to the story you could actually side with and sympathize with your character, something I doubt will be possible with Hatred
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Meh. Best thing to do is not to buy it. Disturbing for sure, but money talks, and nobody buying this game would keep the stupid developers from ever being able to make another game.
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I loved loved the carmageddon series, even though it had its own issues. This to me is too much though. There's no 'funny' involved at all. Too close to home, and it just seems like out of respect of the victims of these types of tragedies it's best to avoid. What's next a Boston bomber video game, or a Brentwood house party game? No thanks whatsoever
Yikes that's pretty intense. That being said we live in the most peaceful time of human history, what video games were they playing during the crusades?
I have a couple issues with this guy's article. First of all, I do agree - violent video games do not necessarily cause violent behaviour, he's right there. But not all criticism of this game is simply an attack on gaming as a whole. There's really no need to get all defensive and start saying "real gamers" (whatever that means) know what the intention behind the development of this game is, while those who are apparently not "real gamers" don't. Its pretty clear from the trailer what the intent of the game is. I play video games and I find the game pretty damn distasteful given so many horrible events of this nature have taken place in the last decade or so.
Also, the writer, as someone who seems to be trying to defend the medium (gaming) -- I see no greater disservice to the medium than to sit there and defend what looks like distasteful garbage. The quality of the medium has reached far better depths in writing and experiences than to have to defend lazy, cheap idiotic stuff like this.
As far as bringing up stuff like Breaking Bad, an amazingly written, deeply layered show about morality with complex characters and plot lines -- unless the game's trailer is misleading us all, there's simply no way you can compare the two.
"Gamers" need to stop getting defensive when a game like this is rightfully criticized, and should really be criticizing it themselves.
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Money. While I don't like society blaming kids' actions on video games (it should be on the parents to watch over these kids), a game like this is simply not acceptable. I don't think it would be a far cry to think this type of game brings out the nutty side of those emo kids out there. It really shouldn't be allowed to be sold if it involves going on a crazy rampage hurting innocent people. If the trailer is real, it's pretty gruesome.
I haven't read this thread except for this one post but....
I haven't read this thread except for this one post but....
grand theft auto?
Except there is drugs and is more a "fun" game?
Try reading the thread. GTA has already been brought up and discussed. Better that you add to what has already been said than restart the same point from the beginning.
Try reading the thread. GTA has already been brought up and discussed. Better that you add to what has already been said than restart the same point from the beginning.
Why? It is a valid point. You can't condemn a game like Hatred but say games like GTA are acceptable. They are video games, plain and simple and anybody who would come unhinged by playing it and do the same thing in real life would have done so anyway. If it was not a video game it would be Marilyn Manson. If it was not Manson it would be some show or movie. One could argue this game would actually help prevent a real life situation like the gameplay from occurring because the person could fullfill his urges in the game rather than in real life. Do I believe that? No, because a person who does these kind of things in real life are going to do them regardless of a video game. Is the game in bad taste? Absolutely, but so is every GTA game which preaches crime and murder.
Why? It is a valid point. You can't condemn a game like Hatred but say games like GTA are acceptable. They are video games, plain and simple and anybody who would come unhinged by playing it and do the same thing in real life would have done so anyway. If it was not a video game it would be Marilyn Manson. If it was not Manson it would be some show or movie. One could argue this game would actually help prevent a real life situation like the gameplay from occurring because the person could fullfill his urges in the game rather than in real life. Do I believe that? No, because a person who does these kind of things in real life are going to do them regardless of a video game. Is the game in bad taste? Absolutely, but so is every GTA game which preaches crime and murder.
This is a fair bit different -- GTA gives you the choice on if you want to kill innocent people or not. It isn't part of the main mechanics -- all the story missions and sidequests involve you fighting against other criminals, drug dealers, and scumbags just as bad as yourself. The innocent pedestrians are there, but the game doesn't make it a goal to kill them. Someone could easily play through the entire game and have a fulfilling experience without ever harming an 'innocent' person.
This game, the whole point is harming innocent people. Without it, there is no gameplay.
looking at some of the game play videos I've seen, it doesn't even look like there's much in the way of serious opposition to you.
It sounds like its a level clearing game, your objective is to kill everyone and to get style points doing it.
I would almost assume that this ends up with a level with the main character holed up in a school or office or something and he's surrounded by the cops and he has to take as many as he can out before he dies.
Horror porn.
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Why? It is a valid point. You can't condemn a game like Hatred but say games like GTA are acceptable. They are video games, plain and simple and anybody who would come unhinged by playing it and do the same thing in real life would have done so anyway. If it was not a video game it would be Marilyn Manson. If it was not Manson it would be some show or movie. One could argue this game would actually help prevent a real life situation like the gameplay from occurring because the person could fullfill his urges in the game rather than in real life. Do I believe that? No, because a person who does these kind of things in real life are going to do them regardless of a video game. Is the game in bad taste? Absolutely, but so is every GTA game which preaches crime and murder.
Just saying he should have read the other pages first and seen the other 5+ posts about GTA before posting it like a new thought. It was a 3 page thread. Totally valid to continue the discussion about GTA. Just no point starting it over from the beginning because you can't be bothered to skim a short thread. That's all.
As for my opinion, this game has a terrible premise and no intrinsic value. Do violent video games beget violent crime? I don't think so. Does this video game create anything positive whatsoever? I also don't think so. I really hope the makers lose money on this game because people don't want it.
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They found that players showed greater levels of aggression if they were unable to master a game’s controls after 20 minutes – regardless of whether that game included violent content or not.
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“The study is not saying that violent content doesn't affect gamers, but our research suggests that people are not drawn to playing violent games in order to feel aggressive,” said co-author Richard M Ryan, from the University of Rochester.
“Rather, the aggression stems from feeling not in control or incompetent while playing. If the structure of a game or the design of the controls thwarts enjoyment, it is this, not the violent content, that seems to drive feelings of aggression.”
looking at some of the game play videos I've seen, it doesn't even look like there's much in the way of serious opposition to you.
It sounds like its a level clearing game, your objective is to kill everyone and to get style points doing it.
I would almost assume that this ends up with a level with the main character holed up in a school or office or something and he's surrounded by the cops and he has to take as many as he can out before he dies.
Horror porn.
The clip Thor posted, it looked like one of the levels was inside a police station.
Hatred went up on Steam, and then removed shortly thereafter.
The Freedom of Speech argument gamers are making on the web is pretty ridiculous. This is a private company making a PR move- not a government mandated sanction across the board. The fact that Valve holds the market is not their problem and they have no responsibility to make sure every game is available.
I beg to differ. The entire point of Steam Greenlight was to let users decide for themselves whether a game should be on Steam. To me this isn't an issue of free speech but has to do entirely with Valve's (lack of) quality control. They already have games like Postal and Manhunt on there so what is the point of this move exactly? It's not that Valve doesn't have the right to pull a game off Steam but what is the reason for doing so? What Greenlight rule did the game break? Be transparent and be consistent.
Valve has a responsibility to their user base and they've been dropping the ball a lot. Valve is so arbitrary with their decisions that it's concerning. The whole Greenlight process needs to be thrown off Steam and Valve needs to decide if they themselves want to curate their store or let their users do it for them. There are too many crappy games being put on the service and too many users getting burned. I think it's pretty insulting and irresponsible of Valve to take down a game that was successfully voted in yet allow tons of broken games to remain on their service.
To be honest, I had entirely forgotten Hatred existed. It still looks like a terrible game and one I am entirely happy to vote against with my wallet. I don't need a store to be my moral compass.
