YLYL Thread and other things...

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Did you eve read that thread? Multiple mods said, repeatedly, that the result of the poll was never intended to be a binding decision.

So 75% vote in favor isn't enough to sway a decision?

[Barbecue]

Originally Posted by jammies

You just will never get it, will you? You know who the minority is? The moderating team - this isn't some kind of democracy, it's an oligarchy, and if things change, it's because the argument for the status quo was weaker than the arguments for change, in their collective opinion. Not because the "vocal minority" is oppressing you with some kind of feminazi conspiracy to take away your girlie pics.

Maybe instead of whining you should have tried making more coherent arguments than "OMG CHIX GONNA TELL US WHAT TO DO!!!!!", which is what your diatribes sum up as. I personally don't agree with censorship in any form, but guys like you make it hard to support that position.

My arguments were of my own, they weren't representative of the entire "keep it as is" side. People were free to argue their points if they wanted to and clearly the status quo group hardly showed up

If you didnt agree with how i was arguing my points and you were against censorship, then where was your "coherent arguments"?

oh, found it!

Originally Posted by jammies

U no what just ocurred to me, and it probly hasnt been brought up in this thread yet - if u think the YOLO thread is offensive, why don't u just NOT go in their? My 2 sents lol.

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

[woob]

Really, RyZ? Right after MarchHare even explained the poll was non-binding?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

So 75% vote in favor isn't enough to sway a decision?

You're making the mistake that the decision criteria was what people people wanted. The decision criteria is what's best for the forum as the moderation team sees it. The poll was just to find out what everyone else's thoughts were.

Let me ask an obvious question. Say the poll was "Should homophobic threads be allowed." Say the answer was 75% in favour. Should that sway a decision? I don't think so.

Not an identical scenario of course, but that illustrates the idea; the poll was to find out what people thought, our policies are driven out of what we think is best for the form.

[troutman]

You can get your girlie picks everywhere on the internet.

How about welcoming more female posters, to make this a better forum?

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by woob

Really, RyZ? Right after MarchHare even explained the poll was non-binding?

Really. Then why even put the poll up? It clearly had 0 bearing on the decision.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

The discussion that lasted a month and had over 700 posts?

I imagine it had a lot to do with the decision. If they had made up their mind before the discussion, you could likely bank on the thread still being around.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

How does it seem like that all? How do you have any idea what the mods were thinking?

Why are you so butt hurt about it? You have only been on this board for half a year. You know that these pictures are not sourced from this board but from the internet aboard? This also a discussion community so if this decision makes the community better for all I don't see what the problem is.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by habernac

It's primarily a hockey site, don't really care if a thread with barely safe for work pics is removed.

Ditto.

I primarily check CP from work, besides, the internet is a big place with many opportunities for such content if one is inclined to look for it.

Remember people, CP is not a democracy, if your opinion or vote is wanted it will be asked for, whether anything is done with it after that remains behind closed doors.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

Actually, it's fairly clear that the moderators made the decision recently. Perhaps it was after the third boob thread which degenerated into a discussion of 'to tap or not to tap'. Perhaps it's because every single thread that even mentions a woman also has a discussion of whether or not the woman in question is 'doable'.

Here's a thought: if the men on this site could pretend like they are in a room full of women and children and gays and minorities, and speak and act accordingly, maybe they wouldn't need to be moderated so closely?

However, since some of the men on this site consistently act like they are in a garage drinking with their buddies and have no filter at all on what they say, they likewise need to be treated as such.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

This makes no sense. I would suggest that the moderation team went into the discussion with an open mind and made thier decision after reviewing all the comments made.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by troutman

How about welcoming more female posters, to make this a better forum?

Is that thread a serious issue which potentially keeps females from signing up to the forum and participating in the community and various discussions? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of various topics being discussed here.

If we want more female members maybe the forum should be re-branded all together to shift away from a male dominated, sports-interest based discussion board.

Is this place really such a hostile environment for females (with or without YLYL)?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Is that thread a serious issue which potentially keeps females from signing up to the forum and participating in the community and various discussions? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of various topics being discussed here.

If we want more female members maybe the forum should be re-branded all together to shift away from a male dominated, sports-interest based discussion board.

Did you read the discussion thread? It's not that thread in particular, it's the pervading sexism that exists all over the board.

Go read the Chad Kroeger/Avril Lavigne thread if you'd like another example. (Not sure if it's still there?) They're getting a divorce so let's comment about how she's free to bang again. Third boob thread? I'd still tap that.

There is clearly a group of men here who just don't get it.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

So 75% vote in favor isn't enough to sway a decision?

Here's a purposely over-the-top hyperbolic example that will hopefully illustrate why polls on subjects like this should not be treated as binding.

Let's imagine you're living in the United States prior to the Civil War. The government decides to have a (non-binding) vote to gauge public opinion about the issue of slavery. The demographics of the voters are ~95% white people and ~5% black people. The results of the vote are as follows:

13% - Continue to allow slavery but make changes to ensure slaves receive better treatment
52% - Continue to allow slavery with no changes
23% - Abolish slavery
12% - Continue to allow slavery but make the slave trade more inclusive to non-negro races

More than 75% want to keep slavery in some form, so the government should just go with the will of the masses, right?

[V]

Originally Posted by Barbecue

Anyways, it wouldn't have made a difference at all. As you said, it's an oligarchy and it seems like the mods already made up their minds before the discussion started

I think the progression of the mods was pretty consistent with the same thing I went through. My opinion on the thread changed drastically once the females on this board started to post about it.

[Iceman57]

This is not an argument to keep the YLYL thread but i wanted to express my disagreement with the moderators decision to delete the entire thread as i believe it sets a bad example especially since at the time the poll was in favour of keeping the thread as it was.

:Some consider me overweight so when i see threads promoting exercise it makes me feel bad about myself

:I've decided to no longer eat meat but the Burger and Pizza threads make me crave it and that's not fair

:I feel video games today are damaging our kids and shouldn't be promoted on this site

I didn't post in the debate because the agreement to close the thread was too convoluted as i felt the focus shifted from "is the thread good for CP" to mainly policing people's comments on the internet. Again in my opinion, I always believed we all had the right of freedom of speech here set within the rules of CP in combination with the choice to decide which threads we read. If the title or the first opinion posted in the thread offends/doesn't interest you then the right is yours not to read it, can't we make it that simple? At the very least, i believe the mods should have archived the thread but in the end, i do respect their decision.

[Flames89]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Oh yes, the scourge. They took away your girly pics. Where will the terror stop?

Yes, the scourge of political correctness.
I never posted in that thread, clicked it a couple times but it wasn't work appropriate - so I didn't click it. So I could care less whether that thread was open, closed, or extinct.

I am just saying let CP be guided by it's own principles. It's own vision. This is not a democracy. Just don't let the scourge of unchecked political correctness dilute the opinions on this soundingboard into milquetoast.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Here's a purposely over-the-top hyperbolic example that will hopefully illustrate why polls on subjects like this should not be treated as binding.

Let's imagine you're living in the United States prior to the Civil War. The government decides to have a (non-binding) vote to gauge public opinion about the issue of slavery. The demographics of the voters are ~95% white people and ~5% black people. The results of the vote are as follows:

13% - Continue to allow slavery but make changes to ensure slaves receive better treatment
52% - Continue to allow slavery with no changes
23% - Abolish slavery
12% - Continue to allow slavery but make the slave trade more inclusive to non-negro races

More than 75% want to keep slavery in some form, so the government should just go with the will of the masses, right?

Really?

Yes, men viewing pictures of women is like slavery.

Do one for Nazi's and Jews too.

We are so evil.

[Makarov]

Great decision.

[Chill Cosby]

On the note of the "75% voted to keep it" argument, I was in that 75% and think that moderators made a good call that's for the best of the board.

Saying "75% voted to keep it" is a statement without meaning. It's simply a raw number, not a actual slice into why anyone voted the way they did or their general position.

Even some people who admitted to voting "keep it as is" have chimed in supportively to this decision.