Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd7 - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Mass_nerder · 07-19-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Was interesting to see Darren Hayes talking about Kevin Hayes today on twitter suggesting the Hawks with a 2nd as compensation are more likely to let him walk then make a trade (I know we've discussed that in the Hayes discussion)

He then mentioned the Flames potentially walking away from Jankowski in two years if he doesn't jump forward.

My gut says they won't though, as his development curve seems on target to me ... just lost in the other names.

It's a nice safety net.
There are always gems in the 2nd round. I think this seasons is going to be really telling though.

Yrebmi · 07-19-2014, 11:25 AM

Also went with Reinhart, but just looking how the early numbers are shaping up this will go Wortherspoon, and rnd 8 will go Gillies.
I never would have thought Max would be in danger of not making our top 10. We are going to have some very good prospects left outside of the top ten.

djsFlames · 07-19-2014, 11:25 AM

denfensemen defensemen defensemen

MrMastodonFarm · 07-19-2014, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Yrebmi

Also went with Reinhart, but just looking how the early numbers are shaping up this will go Wortherspoon, and rnd 8 will go Gillies.
I never would have thought Max would be in danger of not making our top 10. We are going to have some very good prospects left outside of the top ten.

I like Max Reinhart, I just see a plethora of guys with potentially higher ceilings. Not convinced Reinhart can translate his surprise offensive game in the AHL to the NHL. Though I'd be more then happen to be proven wrong of course.

I do think he's a step ahead of guys like Agostino, Hanowski, Van Brabant etc.

Interesting to see no one fighting for Knight either, he came in with plenty of hype last summer.

automaton 3 · 07-19-2014, 11:40 AM

Went with Wotherspoon, but do like Reinhart here too.

Yrebmi · 07-19-2014, 11:41 AM

I am expecting Hunter Smith to start figuring in here soon too.
Big guy with potential to be more than a goon. Plus he is one of the shiny new inventory.

Fire · 07-19-2014, 12:05 PM

Ortio again. Both him and Gilles have good potential but again Ortio has proven it at a higher level.

I like Wotherspoon, but I think he get's slightly overrated because of the Flames lack of high quality prospects on the back end.

StrykerSteve · 07-19-2014, 12:22 PM

Looks like I'll be voting Ortio for a while.

djsFlames · 07-19-2014, 12:35 PM

Reinhart is a good choice here? You mean he comes before both Ortio and Gillies?

gtfo

edslunch · 07-19-2014, 12:40 PM

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He then mentioned the Flames potentially walking away from Jankowski in two years if he doesn't jump forward.

Seems line that could be said of most NCAA prospects? If they are suggesting they expect it then that's more newsworthy.

Street Pharmacist · 07-19-2014, 12:47 PM

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Seems line that could be said of most NCAA prospects? If they are suggesting they expect it then that's more newsworthy.

Only first rounders who stay the full for years. The situation is unique because not signing a first rounder gives you a 2nd round pick. The other prospects don't. Not very many ncaa first rounders play four years of imagine

edslunch · 07-19-2014, 12:50 PM

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Only first rounders who stay the full for years. The situation is unique because not signing a first river gives you a 2nd round pick. The other prospects don't. Not very many ncaa first rounders play four years of imagine

Agreed. I just meant that if a player stays the full four years and doesn't show progression it would be not be news to see him let go, especially a first rounder where there is compensation.

Street Pharmacist · 07-19-2014, 12:52 PM

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Agreed. I just meant that if a player stays the full four years and doesn't show progression it would be not be news to see him let go, especially a first rounder where there is compensation.

True. It's just interesting that you're more likely to walk away from a first rounder than any other because of the compensation

Enoch Root · 07-19-2014, 01:02 PM

Wotherspoon.

I think he's one of those guys that's going to be better in the NHL than he was anywhere else. Just plays smart and the NHL will suit him.

Bingo · 07-19-2014, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I like Max Reinhart, I just see a plethora of guys with potentially higher ceilings. Not convinced Reinhart can translate his surprise offensive game in the AHL to the NHL. Though I'd be more then happen to be proven wrong of course.

I do think he's a step ahead of guys like Agostino, Hanowski, Van Brabant etc.

Interesting to see no one fighting for Knight either, he came in with plenty of hype last summer.

In my mind the guy that will end up being the most underrated prospect when this is all done will be Agostino.

Speed, smart, mature ... a shoot first player that can play anywhere in the lineup, and I bet he goes 12 or worse.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-19-2014, 01:12 PM

Wotherspoon, because the Flames need defensemen to step up and play and he is perfectly positioned to do just that. There are only so many positions available on the hockey club and you need to weigh the potential of a player breaking into the mix at that position. Of the Players left, and the development path they are on, Wotherspoon is the best suited and positioned to jump into the mix on the big club. Reinhart is there too, but he's stuck in a log jam in the middle and will likely have to switch to the wing to make the club. Reinhart has to wait for Stajan to be dealt away before he can make that center ice position his. Gives Wotherspoon the advantage.

mile · 07-19-2014, 01:12 PM

Wotherspoon. A solid second pairing guy who perhaps isn't a top defenseman himself, but I can easily see him play with a top guy and complement them nicely.

Matty81 · 07-19-2014, 01:16 PM

I think Jankowski and Gillies have the highest upside of the guys left, then Reinhart who I could see ending up a very good 3rd line centre if given the right opportunity.

Wotherspoon seems like one of those guys that gets overrated a bit because he had a decent cup of coffee and the average fan has seen him more than an NCAA guy, because for me he doesn't move the puck well enough to be more than a 4. I like his potential as a stay at homer, but I just don't see him as having the same upside as some of the other guys left on the list.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-19-2014, 01:30 PM

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I like his potential as a stay at homer, but I just don't see him as having the same upside as some of the other guys left on the list.

The problem with upside is you have to live up to it. You also have to have opportunity to prove you have it. A guy like Baertschi is supposed to have a lot of upside, but he hasn't shown it in two seasons. He's running out of opportunities to show it. A guy like Jankowski and Gillies may have upside, but they are also in no position to show that upside in the pro ranks. These are guys that should retain their rank, based on potential, but not be as high as guys who are right there and ready to step in, regardless of potential. Jankowski and Gillies may find themselves on the outside looking in come their opportunity to show their stuff, simply because other players have established themselves in positions that they would be fighting for. That has to be considered, and why some guys are going to be left lower in the ranks even though they have good skills and good upside.

Matty81 · 07-19-2014, 01:38 PM

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The problem with upside is you have to live up to it. You also have to have opportunity to prove you have it. A guy like Baertschi is supposed to have a lot of upside, but he hasn't shown it in two seasons. He's running out of opportunities to show it. A guy like Jankowski and Gillies may have upside, but they are also in no position to show that upside in the pro ranks. These are guys that should retain their rank, based on potential, but not be as high as guys who are right there and ready to step in, regardless of potential. Jankowski and Gillies may find themselves on the outside looking in come their opportunity to show their stuff, simply because other players have established themselves in positions that they would be fighting for. That has to be considered, and why some guys are going to be left lower in the ranks even though they have good skills and good upside.

Yes that's fair and I totally get why people would rank Wotherspoon ahead of the others, he is a sure fire NHLer. I guess my ranking criteria would be something like upside x likelihood of achieving it. Where I see Jankowski and Gillies as having NHL star upside, even though the likelihood is lower I'd still rank them higher because I don't see that in Wotherspoon and for me the total score would be higher for those guys, especially after the big step forward Jankowski took this year doubling his goals which for me raised his likelihood a little.

And that's not to say I don't like Wotherspoon, I think he will be a solid NHLer for a long time. Just different approaches to ranking I guess.