Actually, it's not free on the base models. If you look up the Model S 60, for example, it's $2,800 on the base model. The Model S 85kwh and performance both have the supercharging included.
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That's just the option to charge fast - the charge stations are free, just if you dont have the supercharge attachment, it will take longer to charge I believe.
2017 can't come soon enough, this will be my next car - I love the idea of never have to worry about oil changes, transmission fluids, etc ever again.
interesting. got a link? not trying to challenge you or anything, just curious.
they should be in spec from -40C-150C to 6 sigma
I think it was posted in a thread here from 2012. Anyhow yeah, battery limits should be fine in this day and age. I didn't know there were people already driving it in Calgary, that's awesome to hear.
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I think it was posted in a thread here from 2012. Anyhow yeah, battery limits should be fine in this day and age. I didn't know there were people already driving it in Calgary, that's awesome to hear.
From the video I linked above they used a US Spec Tesla Model S (European models have cold weather modifications to make them better in the winter) and with an aggressive driving style in winter conditions in Norway and got 300 km of range.
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Superchargers are all well and good, but the ability to use one is not free unless you 1) pay $2800, or 2) get the 85 kWh battery for $9000 more. They also have limited stalls (lineups are not uncommon in popular areas), and currently only work with Teslas.
A bigger issue is if electric-only vehicles become a significant factor in the marketplace, and I don't see how Alberta can do much beyond burning more coal. It seems like a majority of people charging electric vehicles would do so at home overnight, as I think most companies are not going to subsidize employees by paying for power or installing solar-powered charging stations. Add in potentially many thousands of EVs all simultaneously charging and you've created what is presumably a big headache for the transmission grid.
In any case, Tesla has a range calculator, and if you run in cold weather + use the heater, you get about 60% of the rated range in the worst case. Still entirely fine for most city commutes, but problematic if you want to go anywhere without stopping for (potentially hours) to charge up. You also lose a big benefit of gasoline-powered vehicles: the ability to just go somewhere (anywhere, really) far away with minimal planning. Try organizing a lengthy road trip when you need to site charge locations every few hundred miles and also account for the time to charge.
I'm not convinced plug-in EVs are a viable path away from oil dependency for the majority of people, unless we can provide a significant amount of power generation that isn't just more coal/oil/gas -- all we've done is shifted the emissions somewhere else. Something like the recently announced Ammonia cracking news is more promising.
Actually, having a bunch of electricity use during the night would make the electricity grid much more efficient. The grid is currently designed for peak load, which usually happens during morning/evening on extreme weather days. There is lots of extra transmission and generation capacity that isn't used during the night. The marginal cost of adding that electricity use to the system would be very low.
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One of my friends who is an electrician was telling me that there is some form of "smart" electrical grid (terms probably wrong) that you can have in your house.
What it will apparently do is be smart enough to charge you car overnight when rates are lower, and then if your car remains plugged in and is fully charged during peak energy times, it will actually DRAW power from the car to provide your home with power, thus saving you some energy costs.
No idea how that works, or how you program it, but a damn cool idea if implemented correctly.
My thought is at this price point the demand could be so high one of these never leaves the lot for under 50. As Johnny Flame used to say....Fart even I can scrape together 35k in the next three years. Damn straight I'd buy one of those at that price point.
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Does Tesla sell all cars direct, or do they do a dealer model as well?
If they sell direct, I can see a LOT of Canadians (myself included) taking a trip down south to buy one and ship it up here - because let's not forget, a $35K car in the US is usually a lot more up here - how much does the 3-series retail for? $45K+ up here?
One of my friends who is an electrician was telling me that there is some form of "smart" electrical grid (terms probably wrong) that you can have in your house.
What it will apparently do is be smart enough to charge you car overnight when rates are lower, and then if your car remains plugged in and is fully charged during peak energy times, it will actually DRAW power from the car to provide your home with power, thus saving you some energy costs.
No idea how that works, or how you program it, but a damn cool idea if implemented correctly.
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My thought is at this price point the demand could be so high one of these never leaves the lot for under 50. As Johnny Flame used to say....Fart even I can scrape together 35k in the next three years. Damn straight I'd buy one of those at that price point.
What does this have at that price point that others don't? I seem to recall the Ford and Nissan plug ins being around that price; and for $5K more you can get a Chevy Volt that has a gas engine as a backup for longer trips.
What does this have at that price point that others don't? I seem to recall the Ford and Nissan plug ins being around that price; and for $5K more you can get a Chevy Volt that has a gas engine as a backup for longer trips.
Do you pay to charge at the charging station or is it free?
Scroll up. That's been answered.
As a mechanical idiot who doesn't want breakdowns, how reliable is this manufacturer. I tend to buy new Toyotas because they last forever with few mechanical problems. If they're reliable I'd consider one of these, maybe as a second car.
As a mechanical idiot who doesn't want breakdowns, how reliable is this manufacturer. I tend to buy new Toyotas because they last forever with few mechanical problems. If they're reliable I'd consider one of these, maybe as a second car.
It is rated as one of the safest vehicles on the road, and as far as reliability - havent seen anything really negative yet.
Thing to remember is since this is fully electric, you no longer have an engine, transmission, etc.
Its an electric motor that powers the wheels - so technically it should be less things that can break down on you.
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Yes, an electrical system is intrinsically very different from a regular car. I was still wondering about reliability but I suppose those reviews will come out over time.
As a mechanical idiot who doesn't want breakdowns, how reliable is this manufacturer. I tend to buy new Toyotas because they last forever with few mechanical problems. If they're reliable I'd consider one of these, maybe as a second car.
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What is the capability of charging off of a generator. If you were to be away from civilization, could a gas generator be used to charge it? Sort of defeats the purpose, but would be similar to carrying a jerry can.
Any plans to move to a utility/truck type vehicle? That would be interesting.
Big part of Tesla's success is completely separate from the lack of a gasoline burning engine, they're providing a killer user experience. People don't just "like" driving their Teslas or "enjoy" not stopping at the gas station during the week.
People LOVE driving their Teslas, in the same way people love their iPhones, or love visiting Disney World. This is also where Tesla is going to excel with a more affordable car, by simply providing a better experience, that happens to be electric.
Apple built their empire on good user experience, Tesla is looking to do the same.
