Leafs sign Santorelli, 1 year $1.5 mil

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

Yes - because players changing teams means that nobody wants them. I'm sure no other GM would want Smid, Hudler, Stajan or Bollig, on their team. By your rationale what exactly is Frattin, Komarov, Phaneuf, JVR, Kessel and Franson then? At some point, teams traded or let those guys go so that must mean they are not wanted around the league? That's a joke.

Also - just so you are aware, this is a Flames board so yeah you are going to hear a lot of pro Flames talk. This may come as a surprise to you.

But that was the initial point of the poster he was responding to regarding the Leafs signing other teams "Leftovers".

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by the2bears

transplant99 clearly explains why, what is it you're missing?

He does clearly explain why. 100%. The issue is I tied my opinions into salary in the post from 1 year ago he brought-up that apparently left me "Exposed".

[Ped]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I've already explained this. He was a solid pickup for 1 million. for 9 million over 3 years, not so much. Why can't you get this?

And you can't say "Regardless what they are being paid". That is a huge issue in evaluating a player.

Over in the other thread you think Komarov is a great pickup at almost 3 million for 4 years.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Ped

Over in the other thread you think Komarov is a great pickup at almost 3 million for 4 years.

I didn't say his deal was good, no. I said he was one of the Leafs best possession players and they missed him.

He also had more interest now than Raymond did, so getting him for a million would never happen.

[trackercowe]

It's funny looking at BigTuna's posting history when all he did was praise Raymond during his brief time with the Leafs, and never said anything negative about him. Now that he's gone, he's completely changed his toned and says "oh well I only liked him because he was cheap". Classic homerism at its finest.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

It's funny looking at BigTuna's posting history when all he did was praise Raymond during his brief time with the Leafs, and never said anything negative about him. Now that he's gone, he's completely changed his toned and says "oh well I only liked him because he was cheap". Classic homerism at its finest.

Again, my posts are very consistent. You are not being truthful. I said for a million he's a good pickup. If he got 9 million over 3, I wouldn't have said it.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I didn't say his deal was good, no. I said he was one of the Leafs best possession players and they missed him.

He also had more interest now than Raymond did, so getting him for a million would never happen.

Raymond = Good at 1 million, bad at 3 despite demand and all the things that made him good at 1 million.
Komarov = Good at 1 million, good at 3 million because of demand and all the things that made him good at 1 million.

That sounds inconsistent to me, but I guess you're allowed to justify how you see your home team however you want as long as it stays respectful. I can see why people get a bit upset over the inconsistencies though.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Incorrect. Macarthur became a 3rd liner in 2013' for the Leafs.

.5 PPG on the 3rd line? I'll take that.

Keep trying though, you are really digging yourself a grave in this thread.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

.5 PPG on the 3rd line? I'll take that.

Keep trying though, you are really digging yourself a grave in this thread.

You're delusional.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

You're delusional.

By using stats to back up my claim, I'm delusional?

Had to thank that post.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

WE got him for a million. That was a good deal. He's soft and useless.

Originally Posted by transplant99

interesting....dont know which scouting report of yours i should believe now.....hmmm

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...7&postcount=16

Originally Posted by BigTuna

"He's looked great in training camp/preseason. Great pick-up. A cheap replacement for Macarthur."

Notice my excitement over him being "Cheap"? That falls-line with my comments in this thread stating he was ok for a million. In fact, his stats exceeded Macarthur's from the previous season for less money.

If he got 3 million for 3 years, my post would not have existed.

All I see is consistent posts.

BigTuna, do you think we're stupid? You can't say a player is "soft and useless" when we pick him up, but also call him a great pick up for the Leafs at the time. We get the difference in salary, don't worry that isn't lost on us,

But where you're caught completely bullsh*tting is when you called him soft a useless. If he was soft and useless then he wouldn't have been a "great pick up" for Toronto, regardless of how much he cost.

You just bull**** on this board all the time, it's hilarious. Like you're sitting there on your computer thinking you've really got a discussion going with Flames fans, and you think you're winning arguments. The reality is we're all just sitting back wondering how you can think we're stupid enough to not notice your constant contradiction, homerism and just plain ill-informed hockey "discussion".

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

By using stats to back up my claim, I'm delusional?

Had to thank that post.

I actually corrected your "Facts" by stating he wasn't a top 6 player in 2013'.

Mccarthur is a player I always liked. Burke got him for a steal for 1.1 million as a UFA. He turned around and had a 61 point season.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

But that was the initial point of the poster he was responding to regarding the Leafs signing other teams "Leftovers".

On second look - I see that you're correct. I misread that post.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

I actually corrected your "Facts" by stating he wasn't a top 6 player in 2013'.

Mccarthur is a player I always liked. Burke got him for a steal for 1.1 million as a UFA. He turned around and had a 61 point season.

Wow did you really just reply to me while ignoring my last post? If in fact MacArthur played on the 3rd line (which I know he spent at least part of the season in a top 6 role on that crappy team) then 20 points in 40 games is VERY impressive for a 3rd liner.

Keep ignoring the FACTS and continue replying to any loosely based argument you see.

[Street Pharmacist]

Do third liners get the 6th most TOI of any forward (2 minutes more than the 7th guy)?

[bubbsy]

let's be honest, if you're giving your 3rd line grinding wingers $5.25 million a year, your 4th liners come in at about $3 million. Sounds about right (i mean at least in bizarro world).

i actually loved komarov when he was a leaf. He was a more physically consistent (ie. get a hit every shift) version of bouma. I'd say that by the second half of the season, when the leafs have $8 million bucks in these 2 forwards who have less than 10 goals combined the amazing toronto media is going to be calling for heads.

Nonis is proving to be a useless GM. He has ALWAYS been gunshy when it comes to big trades to fix his roster since his days in vancouver. His tenure in toronto has shown making terrible decisions in free agency. At least his season has been an improvement in that regards, as his mistake is only about a million or so over appropriate value.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Do third liners get the 6th most TOI of any forward (2 minutes more than the 7th guy)?

I guess it depends on how he's used on PP & PK. A reliable 3rd liner who plays lots on the PK could be getting top 6 minutes without playing on one of the top 2 lines.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

let's be honest, if you're giving your 3rd line grinding wingers $5.25 million a year, your 4th liners come in at about $3 million. Sounds about right (i mean at least in bizarro world).

i actually loved komarov when he was a leaf. He was a more physically consistent (ie. get a hit every shift) version of bouma. I'd say that by the second half of the season, when the leafs have $8 million bucks in these 2 forwards who have less than 10 goals combined the amazing toronto media is going to be calling for heads.

Nonis is proving to be a useless GM. He has ALWAYS been gunshy when it comes to big trades to fix his roster since his days in vancouver. His tenure in toronto has shown making terrible decisions in free agency. At least his season has been an improvement in that regards, as his mistake is only about a million or so over appropriate value.

Komorov is being brought-in for reasons other than goals.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Do third liners get the 6th most TOI of any forward (2 minutes more than the 7th guy)?

PK greatly affects TOI. When it mattered most, Macarthur's numbers of TOI weren't very high in the playoffs.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Wow did you really just reply to me while ignoring my last post? If in fact MacArthur played on the 3rd line (which I know he spent at least part of the season in a top 6 role on that crappy team) then 20 points in 40 games is VERY impressive for a 3rd liner.

Keep ignoring the FACTS and continue replying to any loosely based argument you see.

I;m confused, where did I knock Macarthur? He's a quality player. I just liked his value best when he got 61 points earning 1.1 million as opposed to what the Sens paid.