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StrykerSteve · 07-02-2014, 11:52 AM

Booo

Da_Chief · 07-02-2014, 11:55 AM

Can't they both just come over and play in the AHL?

Can they also walk-on and try-out for any team as well?

sureLoss · 07-02-2014, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

They can always trade his rights I am sure.

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Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Can't trade between leagues. He'd have to be released and not claimed by anyone to go to QMJHL or WHL. I'm sure the agent would be fine with him going to London or somewhere like that so something will probably be worked out.

CHL also adopted a rule a year ago. You cannot trade imports for one calendar year after they have been selected in the Import Draft.

Hank Hill · 07-02-2014, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Can't they both just come over and play in the AHL?

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I was wondering the same thing, or do they have to be 19?

Calgary4LIfe · 07-02-2014, 01:20 PM

18 year olds I believe can play in the AHL, as long as they were not drafted from the CHL. USHL, European and other non-CHL leagues are exempt from the '20 year old rule' (and I believe if a player has played 4 seasons, but is 19, he is AHL-eligible).

That rule is more to protect CHL teams' top players, so that they can field a good on-ice product. There is no agreement with other leagues (as far as I know) with the AHL.

sureLoss · 07-02-2014, 01:21 PM

They can both come directly into the AHL, however since the Flames were hoping they would be selected in the CHL import draft, clearly the Flames do not believe either is ready to be playing in the AHL.

As for walkons in the CHL, I am not clear on the the rules, but I suspect that as of now most if not all teams are at their import players limit and could not take either on.

Demetric · 07-02-2014, 01:28 PM

what about playing on Alaska Aces?

Maritime Q-Scout · 07-02-2014, 02:26 PM

SureLoss seems to have most of the questions answered here.

The Euro Draft is an interesting one as you can't trade with all the teams in it, not every team selects (for example my hometown team did not) and there is no guarantee of players coming.

Sometimes teams pick a player in hopes that they may change their mind (Kovul#### was drafted by Cape Breton hoping that he'd report after the World Juniors), sometimes they're drafted because they request to play for a specific team (Ondrej Pavalec apparently said he'd report to Cape Breton and no other CHL team), and sometimes teams draft players knowing they won't report to their team but they will to another team and then leverage that as trade bait.

The whole thing is complex because the players can play in Europe and develop there. Plus players don't have a say if they're picked or not. It's interesting but at the end of the day it's usually second and third liners or second pair defenceman that come over as they are cheaper, and want increased exposure to NHL scouts. Your top tier guys don't need the added exposure and will require more money to come. Generally they end up on contending teams for that reason.

Read Only · 07-02-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Demetric

what about playing on Alaska Aces?

It is likely hard to convince a European to come over to play in the ECHL. I can't think of a drafted prospect that has done that unless out of viable options in Europe.

PeteMoss · 07-02-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

SureLoss seems to have most of the questions answered here.

The Euro Draft is an interesting one as you can't trade with all the teams in it, not every team selects (for example my hometown team did not) and there is no guarantee of players coming.

Sometimes teams pick a player in hopes that they may change their mind (Kovul#### was drafted by Cape Breton hoping that he'd report after the World Juniors), sometimes they're drafted because they request to play for a specific team (Ondrej Pavalec apparently said he'd report to Cape Breton and no other CHL team), and sometimes teams draft players knowing they won't report to their team but they will to another team and then leverage that as trade bait.

The whole thing is complex because the players can play in Europe and develop there. Plus players don't have a say if they're picked or not. It's interesting but at the end of the day it's usually second and third liners or second pair defenceman that come over as they are cheaper, and want increased exposure to NHL scouts. Your top tier guys don't need the added exposure and will require more money to come. Generally they end up on contending teams for that reason.

Not sure about the Q or WHL, but in the OHL in the past it was shady business for the most part when good players would come over.

An example - Gabriel Landeskog had a deal worked out to play in Kitchener so told other teams he wouldn't report. A team jumped ahead of Kitchener and took him anyways and Kitchener ended up with Tomas Tatar. Ended up being a mega trade with Tatar and Landeskog being involved. Tatar ended up never playing in Plymouth as he made the AHL as a underager.

Radio · 07-02-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

They can both come directly into the AHL, however since the Flames were hoping they would be selected in the CHL import draft, clearly the Flames do not believe either is ready to be playing in the AHL.

As for walkons in the CHL, I am not clear on the the rules, but I suspect that as of now most if not all teams are at their import players limit and could not take either on.

If the Flames wanted them here and they own the Hitmen can't they strongly suggest the Hitmen make room for them and draft them? Or are there rules against that sort of thing?

Read Only · 07-02-2014, 06:00 PM

They can tell the GM to draft them or they are fired and then fire them and draft the players themselves if they wanted.

As long as they are eligible for the draft and the team isn't paying them to come over they are allowed to draft whoever they want, for whatever reason they want.

Radio · 07-02-2014, 06:22 PM

Like a boss!!

Although I love the bravado of your reply I am not sure how serious it is, whereas my question is. I am curious to know why the Flames don't get the odd CHL prospect on the Hitmen so they can help develop them and watch them closer. Is there a rule against that sort of thing or is it more they want the Hitmen to be their own entity and take a hands off approach?

getbak · 07-02-2014, 06:48 PM

The Oilers have done it with the Oil Kings (David Musil is one who comes to mind), so I don't think there are any rules against it.

I think the Flames have always operated the Hitmen as a separate entity without exerting any outside pressure on the Hitmen GM, so it's not something they've done.

Read Only · 07-02-2014, 07:09 PM

It is 100% serious reply.

Why would that be against the rules?

The owners can bring in any player they want as long as eligible.

Why would there be a rule that says the Hitmen can't bring in players the Flames like? What would be the point of that rule?

Radio · 07-03-2014, 11:55 AM

I don't know, just asking...

Maritime Q-Scout · 07-03-2014, 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=PeteMoss;4832086]Not sure about the Q or WHL, but in the OHL in the past it was shady business for the most part when good players would come over. /QUOTE]

Oh man the QMJHL is BY FAR the most corrupt leage in the CHL. It's not even close. While everyone was whining about Portland being cheaters, what Portland did is standard fare here in the Q. I've got tons of stories of backroom shadyness. Mind you a good friend of mine once said "If the Q were legit, it'd suck." It's corruption is part of the charm haha.

As for owners demanding who to draft, that's perfectly fine. Well fine in the sense that it's not against the rules. Not really any different than Charles Wamg saying "trade for Yashin" etc.

It's a poor ownership decision to micromanage, but it happens.