2014 Salary Arbitration - Joe Colborne Settles Before Arb

[Calgary4LIfe]

Correct me if I am wrong, but this does not mean that Colborne is going to arbitration.

It may just very well be that his agent and Treliving have just started negotiations, but there is a cut-off period where players need to file in order to have a hearing. The Flames and Colborne may very well make an agreement very soon, but 'just in case' Colborne had to file by the deadline.

It may also mean that they are indeed far apart in negotiations. We will see what happens and what information (if any) gets released in the next few weeks.

[EldrickOnIce]

^Today was the date arbitration had to be filed

[JJ1532]

But arbitration is surely only considered by the player and agent when they think they either are going to get an offer they consider sub-standard, or have already received one that is sub-standard. Surely if the tentative talks have seen both parties in the same ball park, why would the player even consider filing? Doesn't make sense.

Suppose at least that as Colborne has filed it, we can walk away if they rule in his favour.

Like I said, be interesting to see what we offered and what he wants and how far apart the 2 valuations are.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Samiz

How is term decided through arbitration? Could it be possible that he's unhappy or they can't mutually agree with the number of years as opposed to the dollar amount?

Whichever side didn't file for arbitration gets to decide the length of the award, either 1 or 2 seasons. In this case, it will be the Flames' decision.

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Correct me if I am wrong, but this does not mean that Colborne is going to arbitration.

It may just very well be that his agent and Treliving have just started negotiations, but there is a cut-off period where players need to file in order to have a hearing. The Flames and Colborne may very well make an agreement very soon, but 'just in case' Colborne had to file by the deadline.

It may also mean that they are indeed far apart in negotiations. We will see what happens and what information (if any) gets released in the next few weeks.

An arbitration hearing date will be set for sometime in the coming weeks. The league schedules all hearings, with only one hearing scheduled per day.

The team and player can continue to negotiate right up until the hearing begins. Once the hearing begins, the arbitrator's decision will be binding.

IIRC, when White filed, they were so close to getting a deal done that they asked the arbitrator to push back the start time by 15 minutes, and the deal got finished in that time.


Historically, the vast majority of arbitration cases are settled before the hearing starts. I suspect the same thing will happen in this case.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Suppose at least that as Colborne has filed it, we can walk away if they rule in his favour.

Under the new CBA, teams can only walk away from awards that are over $3.5M.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Suppose at least that as Colborne has filed it, we can walk away if they rule in his favour.

Beaten by getbak

Anyway, this is one of the problems with arbitration, we take it personally.

[JJ1532]

Oh, my apologies. So if Colborne demands 5 years at 3.495m and the hearing rules in his favour, do we have to honour that? Or is it only a certain amount of years?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

Oh, my apologies. So if Colborne demands 5 years at 3.495m and the hearing rules in his favour, do we have to honour that? Or is it only a certain amount of years?

It will be 1 or 2 years, at the Flames discretion.

Again, it's not really in either sides favour. They both present cases and numbers, and an arbitrator chooses a number in that range. The arbitrator is not forced to choose one number or the other, and instead decides on what is considered to be a fair offer

[FlamesAddiction]

Good. This ensures that he will at least have a contract to start the season. I also suspect that they will settle before the arbitrator sees the case.

I doubt Colborne is too concerned about money. He is probably more concerned with making sure that he is signed for a fair price and ready to go.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Bar-Down

Ya something about a player filing for arbitration rubs me the wrong way.

Colborne played his FIRST full season in the NHL last year because the Flames finally gave him a chance. I doubt he cracks any other roster in the NHL last year.

He puts up 28 points in 80 games and files for arbitration? He should be grateful for anything the Flames offer him so he can still play in the NHL and continue to develop.

Hopefully the Flames win the case.

I've never really understood this attitude from fans. Arbitration is one of the few negotiating powers players have during their RFA years. If they're not happy with the offers they're getting they can file for arbitration, hold out, or request a trade, or sign an offer sheet. That's it.

For some reason people think players should just take whatever teams offer them, and be happy they're getting anything at all.

[sureLoss]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...837/story.html

And, by Saturday’s deadline, the lanky forward had decided to do exactly that.

“No, it really doesn’t (surprise me),” general manager Brad Treliving said at WinSport’s Ice Complex. “I’ve had some talks with (his agent J.P. Barry) over the last little bit. To me it’s part of the process. We’ll continue to talk.”

Colborne, 24, had been one of 20 National Hockey League players to file for arbitration.

Last season — his first full campaign in the NHL — the Calgarian collected 28 points in 80 games, while drawing a salary of $600,000.

“It’s been a busy few weeks for everyone,” said Treliving. “The fact that we haven’t got anything done before him filing is no indication of us not wanting to get a deal done — and vice versa from his side as well.

“We’ll continue to talk and hopefully get something done sooner rather than later.”

Arbitration hearings are slated for July 20 to Aug. 4 in Toronto.

However, many deals are struck in the doorway of the conference room. Treliving recalled that happening during his days with the Phoenix Coyotes — with Lauri Korpikoski.

“It was settled, virtually, at 8:59 and 30 seconds.”

It’s also worth noting that the hearings themselves can be unpleasant, particularly for the player, whose shortcomings are outlined in great detail.

[#-3]

List seems shorter this years. I know most years only a small handful actually happen. But I though it we usually in the high 30's at least that file.

Is the new CBA scaring teams away from arb cases? We saw it here with Byron, not sure that situations was common in the past.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Samiz

How is term decided through arbitration?

It's not all arbitration deals are one year deals.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...837/story.html

To me this sounds like him just going through the motions as there has not been a lot of communication between the 2 camps because of the draft and FA frenzy. That filing is just something that is done to cover you bases. The fact that they waited till basically the last minute to file shows me this. Well IMO anyway. I do not think this has anything to do with entitlement, just hte business side of things.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

The vast majority of guys who file for arbitration end up settling before arbitration. I don't expect Colborne to be the rare exception who does actually go through with it. Most likely he'll be signed be hire the hearing.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No way the Flames are offering him anything over $1 million IMO.

Originally Posted by Husky

Colborne does not deserve 1+ million. He has proved much.

What had Backlund done to deserve the 1.5 million he got going into this season? He had career highs of 10 goals and 25 points, numbers that Colborne matched/surpassed in his rookie season. Based on Backlund's contract it's more than reasonable to think Colborne will receive at least a million.

[Yoho]

Any way the Flames can argue"Well his dad's super rich, he doesn't really need the money?"

on second thought might be a double standard if Treliving is presenting their case.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Any way the Flames can argue"Well his dad's super rich, he doesn't really need the money?"

on second thought might be a double standard if Treliving is presenting their case.

[Robbob]

Nothing more then setting a deadline to have a contact done. Forces both sides to the table to make sure it gets done. Otherwise a third party will determine things, which is an unknown variable.

[Sylvanfan]

For a guy like Colborne this just creates an earlier deadline for the team to settle his contract. In this case his contract likely falls between 700k and 1.0 per year. Now he knows it will be settled, and he is fine with playing on a shorter term deal.