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Table 5 · 06-10-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It probably hurts a proud guy like MacLean to see all these GM job openings over the past five years and not hear his name called for even the odd interview.

There's no need for an interview...for the last few years, Doug Maclean has been demonstrating almost nightly to any prospective candidate why he'd make a terrible GM. I'm frankly surprised he even made it there once...he just doesn't come across as being very smart at this hockey thing. Some of the stuff he says frankly feels like something you'd hear from a troll on a hockey board.

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Originally Posted by Fire

I think Gaudreau and Reinhart will have a good chance to be on the team opening day.

I have a feeling that no matter what Treliving says now, Gaudreau will do what Monahan did last year, and just play too damn well in training camp for them to send him down. Every time you try to temper expectations with this guy, he just blows them out of the water.

BOSSY · 06-10-2014, 03:02 PM

I'd take their opinions with a grain of salt - Kyp is a connected guy who passes on what he hears and Maclean is former GM who has been out of the game for years and will likely never be back in...

Roof-Daddy · 06-10-2014, 03:09 PM

If MacLean thinks the Flames are doing it wrong, then we must be on the right track.

bubbsy · 06-10-2014, 03:11 PM

just watched the video. that was frigin hilarious. maclean isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but i usually don't mind him all that much.

this segment was downright painful, the entire panel seemed dumb founded on 2-3 different occasions on what he was saying or where he was taking the discussion.

Rogers better smarten up by this fall.

jg13 · 06-10-2014, 03:16 PM

This video was hilarious. Maclean basically had a 5 minute bitter rant.

FBI · 06-10-2014, 03:33 PM

Don't give Johnny a guaranteed spot but you better not give David fricken jones a guaranteed spot either.

Displaced Flames fan · 06-10-2014, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pagal4321

Good, I don't want any player to be handed a spot on this team. Any prospect, Johnny Hockey included, will have to PLAY their way on to this team.

We've lived through a version of the Flames where veterans were handed a spot in the lineup, even if they weren't good enough for an AHL team.

Agreed, but I want that to work conversely as well. If Gaudreau, or whoever, earns a spot in camp he should get that spot. He shouldn't be sent down because he's a "prospect". Training camp counts.

Robbob · 06-10-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Don't give Johnny a guaranteed spot but you better not give David fricken jones a guaranteed spot either.

The problem with that is that it will be extremely difficult to either get rid of that contract or get the buy in to send him to the minors. Johnny can freely move up and down so if need be he can be moved down until they sort out the Jones thing since he is still under contract.

That is one of the reasons I don't think Gaudreau starts the season. With Monahan it was either stay or go to Jrs for the year. That scenario isn't there for Gaudreau.

codynw · 06-10-2014, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Don't give Johnny a guaranteed spot but you better not give David fricken jones a guaranteed spot either.

I don't agree with this, but unless he really stinks, his one way contract pretty much guarantees him a spot.

codynw · 06-10-2014, 04:07 PM

To clarify, I don't think David Jones stinks. He's a capable player when he's healthy, and one of the teams only natural RWers.

ForeverFlameFan · 06-10-2014, 04:15 PM

I think D. Jones is a fine 3rd line RW ahead of Brian... We just don't have any right handed shooters in the top 6 ever since Iggy and Stemps got traded.

I'd give D. Jones another year, hopefully he bounces back. A 30 point season would be fine by me.

TjRhythmic · 06-10-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

To clarify, I don't think David Jones stinks. He's a capable player when he's healthy, and one of the teams only natural RWers.

I like David Jones. He was playing well until he hurt his shoulder then it seemed like he had trouble catching up with the rest of the team and was chasing the play a lot.

I'm sure he'll be better next season, wouldn't be surprised to see him put up 20 and 20. He's capable enough to do it.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 06-10-2014, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FBI

Don't give Johnny a guaranteed spot but you better not give David fricken jones a guaranteed spot either.

This kind of thinking needs to stop actually. Litterally, I don't disagree with you, but, for a developing team who's goal is rebuilding, putting players where there long term development is served best is what they should do.

So, in the situation where Johnny Hockey out plays David Jones, but the Flames feel Gaudreau would be better served by spending a year in the minors, then that's what they should do, and they should have David Jones take up the roster spot if there are no other veteran options or prospects that would be served best for their development in the NHL to take it.

It's the whole Sven thing again. The team was felt Sven should spend time in the minors to make him the better player long term and fans on this board got all bent out of shape because it wasn't "fair" because certain veteran players got to stay in the NHL and play and Sven didn't. It's not about "fair", it's about making the Flames the best team they can be 4 years from now.

FeyWest · 06-10-2014, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

This kind of thinking needs to stop actually. Litterally, I don't disagree with you, but, for a developing team who's goal is rebuilding, putting players where there long term development is served best is what they should do.

So, in the situation where Johnny Hockey out plays David Jones, but the Flames feel Gaudreau would be better served by spending a year in the minors, then that's what they should do, and they should have David Jones take up the roster spot if there are no other veteran options or prospects that would be served best for their development in the NHL to take it.

It's the whole Sven thing again. The team was felt Sven should spend time in the minors to make him the better player long term and fans on this board got all bent out of shape because it wasn't "fair" because certain veteran players got to stay in the NHL and play and Sven didn't. It's not about "fair", it's about making the Flames the best team they can be 4 years from now.

It's not about short term glory but long term gain!

I bet if Monahan was eligible for the AHL they would have sent him down, there's nothing saying if Johnny goes down to the Baby Flames that they can't give call ups, to me giving a guy a call up from the minors is a compliment to show they ahve trust in you (And they needed to fill a spot but gave it to X player over Y player).

saXon · 06-10-2014, 04:55 PM

Anyone have a link for the vid? It's not available in the article.

Edit: Well, that's F'd. They found a workaround for Adblock plus. Disable it for those that want to watch the vid.

GreenLantern2814 · 06-10-2014, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fire

I think Gaudreau and Reinhart will have a good chance to be on the team opening day, but I agree most of the prospects (Sven, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Seiloff, Ferland, Poirier, Knight, etc) will start on the farm team. Even if they want to fill the team with prospects the Salary Cap floor will prevent that. That makes it even harder for young players to crack the NHL club.

I actually think of all our prospects, Sven is the one that has the best shot at making the opening day roster. He's the oldest of our new wave of kids, he's got the most pedigree, and most importantly, I think the brass want him to make it.

That's not to say they'll just hand him a spot, but I think there's nothing front office would like more than for Baertschi to come to camp committed to a 200 foot game and a never-say-die attitude. They know he has the skill.

Unlike Gaudreau, who I think now has to make it impossible for them to demote him, Baertschi is a player who is about to start his 3rd season in the AHL. He should be more motivated than anyone to come to camp with the intention of hijacking a top six spot.

FlameZilla · 06-10-2014, 05:25 PM

At least we know this: any prospect that gets given a spot on this team in October has damned well earned it.

saXon · 06-10-2014, 05:28 PM

Much better than having the annual 'upset special' if they don't make the big club.

djsFlames · 06-10-2014, 05:34 PM

It'll come down to Granlund vs. Baertschi vs. Gaudreau for a spot on Backlund/Monahan's wing.

Arsenal14 · 06-10-2014, 05:41 PM

You know how I can tell Spector is an Oiler-centric writer? He's already trying to redefine when our rebuild started:

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But the fact remains, they were a 27th place team on Year 1 of a long rebuild. You might even say, with Treliving just taking the job on Apr. 28, that Year 1 has yet to begin.

No! Our rebuild is already one year old. None of this rewriting history to suit our needs that we keep seeing from Edmonton.