Was Canada right to grant asylum to a U.S. sex offender?

[pylon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am note sure what the picture is for.......


To be clear, I think a 41 yr old married women hooking up with an 18 yr disgusting as well.

LOL, then I am the king of gross. When I was in my late teens and early 20's, it was all mature, all the time at dives like the Back Alley and City Limits. Nothing will corrupt your naivety than being massacred by a late 30's - mid 40's divorcee with a limp ex-husband, that hadn't been properly serviced in over a decade. I was more interested in the pros, not the amateurs. Just think though, some of those women are in their 60's now....lol.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Just to play, uhm, devils advocate for a second.... Would we feel the same way if it were an adult male and a 16 year old girl?

I think the laws in Canada does not prohibit such relationships unless there is a "position of authority" issue - teacher, coach, etc..

Totally the same. Anything else is sexist.

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

So where is the cut off? Is 16 when someone is old enough to make an informed decision about sex? Why not 15? 14? Why 16?

At what point does it go from "statutory rape" to "a-okay by me"?

Age is just a lazy substitute for mental and physical state, and an informed decision is determined by information (truism alert), not by age. Wherever you place an age line, it will be wrong for some people.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by pylon

LOL, then I am the king of gross. When I was in my late teens and early 20's, it was all mature, all the time at dives like the Back Alley and City Limits. Nothing will corrupt your naivety than being massacred by a late 30's - mid 40's divorcee with a limp ex-husband, that hadn't been properly serviced in over a decade. I was more interested in the pros, not the amateurs. Just think though, some of those women are in their 60's now....lol.

Slightly less disgusting, and I also had many a night at the Brass Ring, but guess what I was young and made poor decisions......

[pylon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Slightly less disgusting, and I also had many a night at the Brass Ring, but guess what I was young and made poor decisions......

I have not, and will not ever regret those decisions.

They were a growing experience.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by pylon

I have not, and will not ever regret those decisions.

They were a growing experience.

You have not what? Ever made a bad decision when young?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

See the above UCB, for 16 the age of consent barrier is 5 years. so if she was 21 or under its ok under the law here, but anything older and its a felony.

So she broke the law under the definitions of both countries.

Ha?

http://www.law-faqs.org/wiki/index.p...to_have_sex.3F

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

this is the wording its fairly cloudy



The Grey area at the bottom is where the trouble starts, I believe because their age difference was greater then 5 years in Canada, then she would have committed a crime here.

How do you know this? She wasn't in a position of trust and she did not exploit her. What law did she break in Canada?

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Slightly less disgusting, and I also had many a night at the Brass Ring, but guess what I was young and made poor decisions......

I remember calling it the Brass Wrinkle

[Dion]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

From the article she is 47 now. Incident happened in 2008, so she was 41ish at the time.

She could have been his mother FFS.

Sex isn't a horrible emotional event, it is awesome. Sadly, when predator's like this make it into something terrible. IMO, she took advantage of him of a sexual immature individual.

[jayswin]

Dion, I don't get your post in response to Undercoverbrother's post.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Dion, I don't get your post in response to Undercoverbrother's post.

She's an attractive woman who I imagine got the hormones of the 16 year old lad going. To say she took advantage of the lad is debateable given that we don't know how mature the young lad was. Some people mature faster than others.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Dion

She's an attractive woman who I imagine got the hormones of the 16 year old lad going. To say she took advantage of the lad is debateable given that we don't know how mature the young lad was. Some people mature faster than others.

I find it odd that you choose to use "young" and "lad" when discussing his maturity.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I find it odd that you choose to use "young" and "lad" when discussing his maturity.

I don't.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I don't.

Is there a picture of her gams? You know, just to see how that gal really looks.

[Thor]

I hate legislating morality to some degree, obviously we have to define the laws and choose an age to criminalize this, however as long as the judges are free to take each unique case and make the best judgement on their own specific merits I'm happy with 16.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I guess the legal question is can we apply the Canadian Concept of cruel and unusual punishment to every case.

I agree in this case 30 years is really excessive, but I don't think that there can be a blanket statement on this.

If the State has lets say the three strikes rule like California I believe has it, do we accept a triple time violent offender because our sensibilities say that life without parole is cruel and unusual punishment.

Or lets say a terrorist facing a death penalty in a middle eastern country shows up here after bombing the crap out of a market full of kids, do we send him back?

I think that right now the thought of how this effects our relations with the U.S. is irrelevant, frankly our relations with the American's are at the lowest point since Trudeau was in office, and this isn't going to change that.

I do think that in terms of the 30 year old having sex with the 16 year old which is defined as a criminal activity in the states is punishable, but not by 30 years.

But it wasn't too long ago that we had an escaped sexual offender show up in the States and they refused to send him back.

Wasn't he a US citizen that fled back to the US, and Canada didn't feel like extraditing him back?

Anyway, it would be an interesting precendent, if all you had to do was commit a crime in your country that wasn't on the books here to be able to get asylum.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Wasn't he a US citizen that fled back to the US, and Canada didn't feel like extraditing him back?

Anyway, it would be an interesting precendent, if all you had to do was commit a crime in your country that wasn't on the books here to be able to get asylum.

I am comfortable with this, I would add that there would likely have to be a significant punishment that didn't fit the crime in addition to not being on the books here. Whats things are legal here that would be illegal elsewhere that aren't wroth fighting over.

Though if we legalize Marijuana it might change and you might see a lot more people try to do this.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am note sure what the picture is for.......


To be clear, I think a 41 yr old married women hooking up with an 18 yr disgusting as well.

Abusing my celebrity a bit in Iceland, I may have accidentally hooked up with a 20 yr old, and I'm 40.

Disgusting was not the word I'd use for that night.