[News] Sharks keep Doug Wilson and coaching staff. Roster changes coming.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They've sort of become the Flyers of the West. They always get out goaltended in the playoffs.

The Flyers can juggle 3 goalies and make it to the finals as they did in 2010 but none of their goalies has Stanley Cup ring. Niemi does have a ring and has taken the Sharks to the 3rd round before.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Ryan Miller is a shark next season. Put it in the bank!

Either that or the Ducks. Seems like they've given up on Hiller.

[nfotiu]

Playoff hockey is really just a small sample size and results are based on how you match up against a single opponent. Making reactionary moves after strong regular seasons and poor playoffs is the quickest way to turn a consistent playoff team into a consistent non-playoff team. The concept of clutch is highly over-rated, and is 90% people seeing what they want to see based on a small sample size.

One qualification to all that though is that the rules are significantly different in regular season and the post season. If your team's regular season success is based on playing for ties and/or winning shootouts, then I guess you have to accept you aren't going to win in the playoffs with what you have.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Playoff hockey is really just a small sample size and results are based on how you match up against a single opponent. Making reactionary moves after strong regular seasons and poor playoffs is the quickest way to turn a consistent playoff team into a consistent non-playoff team. The concept of clutch is highly over-rated, and is 90% people seeing what they want to see based on a small sample size.

One qualification to all that though is that the rules are significantly different in regular season and the post season. If your team's regular season success is based on playing for ties and/or winning shootouts, then I guess you have to accept you aren't going to win in the playoffs with what you have.

I think the officiating changes as well as there's not as many penalties called especially in close games in the playoffs while in the regular season it can be 2-2 with 5 minutes left and they will still call a ticky tack or legit penalty whereas in the playoffs it has to be painfully obvious for a penalty to be called. It's why the Canucks continually campaigned in the playoffs that they weren't getting enough powerplays because the powerplay was a key component of their regular season success.

[Bourque's Twin]

It's difficult, no matter how good your team is, to advance far in the Western Conference.

LA, Anaheim, Chicago, St. Louis and San Jose are the top 5 teams in the NHL. It can be any team's series.

Here's San Jose's last 10 years:

2003/04 - Lost in Round 3 to the Flames
2005/06 - Lost in Round 2 to Edmonton
2006/07 - Lost in Round 2 to Detroit
2007/08 - Lost in Round 2 to Dallas
2008/09 - Lost in Round 1 to Anaheim
2009/10 - Lost in Round 3 to Chicago
2010/11 - Lost in Round 3 to Vancouver
2011/12 - Lost in Round 1 to St. Louis
2012/13 - Lost in Round 2 to Los Angeles
2013/14 - Lost in Round 1 to Los Angeles

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why? They have accomplished nothing there.

They've lost to the Kings, an excellent team, two years in a row in hard-fought series. The year before, they lost to the Blues, a very good team, though that was a bit of a year off. The year before, they lost to the Canucks, then a very good team, in the conference final. The year before, they lost to the eventual champ Hawks in the conference final, an absurdly good team that they really couldn't be expected to beat. It goes on.

Basically, the only thing the Sharks are guilty of is being in a lot of coin-flip matchups and seeing the coin come up tails more often than heads. This is the NHL, being an excellent team isn't enough to win, because you have to beat at least 2 other excellent teams and a couple others that are at minimum really good.

[Locke]

Probably a wise decision, the group thats in place have been spectacular for years, its just that mystifying extra-gear that they just cant seem to find.

The Sharks are quite the enigma, but you cant say that the management haasnt done a spectacular job.

[Sylvanfan]

I think at this point it's pretty proven that if you don't win a Stanley Cup within the coaches first 5 years running the team....you won't. Todd McLellan has had 6 years, with the first 3 being the seasons where the team was most successful.

Doug Wilson should stay, I think the Sharks are easily one of the best managed rosters in the NHL. My opinion is that he needs to make a coaching change of some kind. He should have got a jump on Pittsburgh, but who knows....maybe he's waiting to see what happens.

[cannon7]

The Sharks don't need a brain transplant, they need a heart transplant. There's something rotten about that core, I suspect it's either Thornton or Marleau. One of them has to go. They could get a considerable return for theither of them. But they've been keeping this core together for too long with no real results.

If they can unload some salary, there's a few UFAs they should consider grabbing to add some heart -- Iginla nad Callahan come to mind. They also need a better goaltender, I think the Niemi era is over.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by cannon7

The Sharks don't need a brain transplant, they need a heart transplant. There's something rotten about that core, I suspect it's either Thornton or Marleau. One of them has to go. They could get a considerable return for theither of them. But they've been keeping this core together for too long with no real results.

If they can unload some salary, there's a few UFAs they should consider grabbing to add some heart -- Iginla nad Callahan come to mind. They also need a better goaltender, I think the Niemi era is over.

Trading Thornton or Marleau is fine in theory. But you've got to replace them somehow. You trade Thornton and you need to find a 1st line centre (or 2nd line if you think Pavelski can do it without him).

If you get together with the Canucks and come up with Thornton for Kesler and 1st round pick/Horvat ... you've downgraded the team and that is probably the best player who you might get to help right now.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Trading Thornton or Marleau is fine in theory. But you've got to replace them somehow. You trade Thornton and you need to find a 1st line centre (or 2nd line if you think Pavelski can do it without him).

If you get together with the Canucks and come up with Thornton for Kesler and 1st round pick/Horvat ... you've downgraded the team and that is probably the best player who you might get to help right now.

Couture, Pavelski and Hertl are all natural centers.

[EldrickOnIce]

Queue up the Oilers/Sharks preposterous trade proposals

[codynw]

Hall and Nurse for Thornton.

[sureLoss]

San Jose Sharks ‏@SanJoseSharks
Doug Wilson: "I have informed Marty Havlat that he will not be back this next season." #SJSharks

Havlat's contract ends next season. Sharks will have to trade him or buy him out.


David Pollak @PollakOnSharks
#SJSharks GM Wilson: Dan Boyle not returning.

David Pollak @PollakOnSharks
#SJSharks GM Wilson: Moving Brent Burns back to defense.

[Anduril]

Interesting that they would move Burns back to defense. Granted his flexibility means he'll be a contributor on defense or forward, but that forechecking presence is more valuable I feel.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I think the Flames should get Boyle on their roster. I don't have a reason.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I think the Flames should get Boyle on their roster. I don't have a reason.

Because there isn't a reason we should do that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

I think the Flames should get Boyle on their roster. I don't have a reason.

I was saying that in the other thread. If the Flames can move Wideman, they should offer big money to Boyle for a year or two.

He could be another real solid mentor (along with Gio) to guys like Brodie and Russell. He's a guy who's played at an elite level for a long time, on elite teams in tough, tough divisions.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I was saying that in the other thread. If the Flames can move Wideman, they should offer big money to Boyle for a year or two.

He could be another real solid mentor (along with Gio) to guys like Brodie and Russell. He's a guy who's played at an elite level for a long time, on elite teams in tough, tough divisions.

Boyle only has a couple of seasons left. I highly doubt he wants to spend them on a rebuilding team. Not saying cup contenders are going to be lining up for his services , but he at the very least will get on a bubble playoff team. I could see the av's as a good fit for him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Boyle only has a couple of seasons left. I highly doubt he wants to spend them on a rebuilding team. Not saying cup contenders are going to be lining up for his services , but he at the very least will get on a bubble playoff team. I could see the av's as a good fit for him.

Oh yeah I agree, I'm pretty sure the Flames given their situation would far frown his list, but like you said he's only got a couple years left and money talks.

We can afford it for a couple seasons, and like I said I think he'd be an awesome mentor for our D core.