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Old 05-07-2014, 11:27 AM   #41
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Carpooling works great when you have a group with pretty solid schedules that align with each other. I carpooled a ton during college, but that was about it. Thanks to things like flex days, alternative work schedules, etc. it gets harder and harder to get a consistent ride partner. At my office, nobody in my group shows up or leaves work at the same time. How do you give incentive for people to change their personal schedule to carpool with others?
Lots of people generally have the potential to carpool between 7AM and 5:30PM. There's enough people traveling to and from downtown to indicate as such, and this number seems to be growing with the amount of people that are moving to the city.

I don't think personal schedules matter as much as you think they do; for the most part, most people commute to and from work at generally the same time.

Here's an idea - you could have the driver show up at a certain meet point at a certain time, and whoever is there gets a ride. Otherwise, you'll have to arrange another ride or take transit if you can. This means that if you have a flex day or alternative work schedule, you won't be missed at the meet point for that specific day.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:35 AM   #42
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I hope this happens sooner rather than later. I think tolls are a great idea to incentivize other transportation modes in the city.

I also really enjoy the idea of ramp metering, but I think a lot of the onramps would have to be redesigned. At the moment several of them overflow for several intersections (mcknight to NB deerfoot is one that I frequent), and ramp metering would cause more disruptions at the previous intersections.
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Old 05-07-2014, 11:48 AM   #43
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I don't mind tolling non-Calgarians that come into Calgary during the normal rush hour time frames. Those leeches should have to pay up.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:13 PM   #44
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Those who work within their communities outside of Calgary should be exempt. Someone already mentioned that their trip to Calgary is to spend money - almost on a vacation basis.
Those from outside communities who work in Calgary should be paying this toll.
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Regarding an effective car pool system: you need to provide incentive to people to carpool. The benefit can't just be "less cars on the road," people don't care enough about that (unfortunately).

Here's what I propose:

Citizens can register their cars with the City as registered pool cars. These cars are outfitted with a QR Code scanner or some sort of Bluetooth approval. People who register their cars can receive a small tax benefit from the city, or some sort of City credit for City services (e.g., golf course passes, facility usage, parking credit, etc.)

Carpoolers can download an app on their smartphone from the City that they can use with the car-installed QR code scanner. Each morning they get into a registered pool car, they scan their phone as an inbound passenger and the data goes back to a City database. At the end of the day, they scan again (doesn't have to be the same pool car), but this time as an outbound passenger. A person is only allowed to scan their phone twice per day (once inbound, once outbound) between 6 AM and 6 PM). During non commute-times (ergo, less traffic), the carpool app isn't used.

Carpool participants can earn credit the more they commute in a daily carpool. The app usage allows a participant to earn credit and use rewards, such as a choice of tax rebate credit (discount on yearly property taxes), City facility credits (gyms, golf, etc.), or any participating private company that wants to provide a discount/incentive for their products. The app would support private advertising (same thing as ads in buses and trains), and the QR scan could be used directly at participating retail stores for instant discounts. This would work off the model of the Air Miles or Scene points system.

To prevent people from scamming the system, the credit is only given if 2 or more people have scanned in, and the car has moved a certain threshold (based on GPS positioning with your own phone) while scanned in. Also, depending on the model/size of the vehicle (which you let the City know when registering your car), the car can only scan a maximum of either 2, 4 or 7 occupants (based on the number of seats in your car).

I believe carpooling can happen, as long as you provide incentives and convenience for all participants.

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Old 05-07-2014, 12:21 PM   #46
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I hope this happens sooner rather than later. I think tolls are a great idea to incentivize other transportation modes in the city.
The problem right now is there is little alternative besides car pooling.

People travelling deerfoot are likely commuting a distance that requires automotive or transit options, but our transit is already very well used.

I'm certain increasing transit capacity would be enough to incentivize transit. There must be a ton of people that don't take the train because they hate being packed in with the masses for 20 minutes.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:25 PM   #47
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The problem right now is there is little alternative besides car pooling.

People travelling deerfoot are likely commuting a distance that requires automotive or transit options, but our transit is already very well used.

I'm certain increasing transit capacity would be enough to incentivize transit. There must be a ton of people that don't take the train because they hate being packed in with the masses for 20 minutes.
Well they're almost done the 4-car expansions, only like 3 or 4 stations left to be converted.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:28 PM   #48
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Those who work within their communities outside of Calgary should be exempt. Someone already mentioned that their trip to Calgary is to spend money - almost on a vacation basis.
Those from outside communities who work in Calgary should be paying this toll.
That's not how tolls work. If the intent is to improve congestion, then every road user needs to pay their way to use the road they are helping to congest.

Tolls on these roads wouldn't stop someone from Cochrane to go to Market Mall. Eventually they wouldn't even care about paying an extra amount, or they would take alternate routes.

Traffic on the Pattullo Bridge has increased significantly from people trying to avoid the tolls on the Port Mann Bridge, but over time that will level off as people stop caring as much about it.
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I do believe it's reasonable to charge people living in satellite communities to commute daily into the city for employment but $5/day is a little steep IMO.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:31 PM   #50
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Salt Lake has this on the I-15, basically the one road to get anywhere in that city.

It's a good system. It's only one lane, HOVs don't pay, single occupant vehicles pay a variable toll for each stretch. The toll is more expensive during greater congestion. It's all done with transponders:

That's a good example because it's a city of similar population to Calgary although their roads are set up much better as you can see from this picture as Calgary has nothing over 3 lanes going one way anywhere.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:35 PM   #51
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A decade?

At about the time all of this toll stuff is implemented, autonomous cars will begin making it irrelevant.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:37 PM   #52
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Would people start to avoid Deerfoot and other major routes to avoid the tolls? Would that cause issues in other places?
This is a problem I could see on Deerfoot. There are to many ways to get off and go to the next exit if there was a toll in between them.

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Salt Lake has this on the I-15, basically the one road to get anywhere in that city.

It's a good system. It's only one lane, HOVs don't pay, single occupant vehicles pay a variable toll for each stretch. The toll is more expensive during greater congestion. It's all done with transponders:

This looks good but my question is if you are in the HOV lane and need to get over to the ramp that is on the right how do you merge into traffic that is standing still without backing up the traffic behind you?
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:40 PM   #53
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Great, the city hall is dreaming up new ways to tax us to death. If the roads are tolled, cyclist should pay as well as motorist.
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:43 PM   #54
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I look forward to new rants on CP about guys slowing down traffic in the Express lane.

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Tolls on these roads wouldn't stop someone from Cochrane to go to Market Mall. Eventually they wouldn't even care about paying an extra amount, or they would take alternate routes.
If there was a toll going to market mall I would only go to the new springbank outlet malls when they open personally. I am incredibly cheap though
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Old 05-07-2014, 12:46 PM   #56
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Build new roads and put a toll on them? I'm cool with that.

Put tolls on the rush hour cluster####s that are Glenmore and Crowchild, with no overhauls to their design? Go yourself.
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Salt Lake has this on the I-15, basically the one road to get anywhere in that city.

It's a good system. It's only one lane, HOVs don't pay, single occupant vehicles pay a variable toll for each stretch. The toll is more expensive during greater congestion. It's all done with transponders:
I like that idea. Tolls for single occupancy vehicles, free to use for carpooling.
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Great, the city hall is dreaming up new ways to tax us to death. If the roads are tolled, cyclist should pay as well as motorist.
Except it's not City Hall, it's the conservative Manning Foundation.

I have difficulty seeing it implemented on Crowchild since there's only one lane that actually goes all the way through. Tolls on the left lane on Deerfoot and the ring road might be more feasible. If the toll is high I'd be concerned about effects on traffic in the other lanes. Overall I'm not sure whether I'm for or against but debating the merits of different ideas is never a bad thing.
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That's a good example because it's a city of similar population to Calgary although their roads are set up much better as you can see from this picture as Calgary has nothing over 3 lanes going one way anywhere.
I don't know if I'd call there roads that much better. They just did major upgrades to the I-15, but that is THE north/south road in SLC. Because of the shape of the valley, the metro area is about 200km long and 25km wide at it's widest. It puts a ton of pressure on the I-15, and I bet most there wish it had many more lanes.
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Old 05-07-2014, 02:19 PM   #60
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Somewhat insane idea to put tolls on existing roads and charge 5 bucks.

Aren't most toll roads just companion freeways? In toronto if you don't want to pay the toll on the 407 you can just take the 401.

If you don't want to pay the toll on the deerfoot/crowchild ect..you will end up clogging up other roads...this plan makes zero sense, what am i missing?
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