Seattle Will Raise Minimum Wage to $15/hr By 2020; Automatic Annual 2.4% Increases

[nik-]

What legit IT guy is making McDonalds wages or $15 an hour?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Good lord... I guess everyone no matter how little skilled they are deserve to make as much as someone with skills?

Maybe all hockey players should be paid the same amount and I.T. Guys make as much as the kid taking your order.

Why do people think that they shouldn't have to work for something? Get a skill and or an education and better themselves without having someone just hand it to them?

I was actually just poking fun at the fact that your minimum wage and wages in general are likely quite low, so you comparing your own city's mcdonald's wages with a place like Seattle or much of Canada, or comparing $15 an hour to other jobs in your city, isn't very fair.

For example, my employees work in a warehouse and do work that is even less difficult than fast food and they make $19 - $20/hr. Also, construction jobs in Calgary start at $20 an hour for just the no skill, labor positions.

[GGG]

I would love self checkout fast food. This would be the greatest advancement ever.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I worked fast food when I was 15-16 and it was a lot tougher then any construction labour I did in my early twenties.

PIMking is just being a simpleton with a bit of ignorant arrogance thrown in.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by PIMking

it's min wage here, but our fast food is terrible (both in taste and service) and those who work in Fast Food here don't deserve $15 an hour. That's all I'm saying. Besides if fast food joints have to pay people $15/hr I'd be willing to bet that place your own order computers will take the place of the cash tellers.

What's the basis for the idea that they don't deserve $15 an hour? Is that a job you want to go? You want to go flip burgers and fill me up a soda? What? You don't? Say, would you consider the idea that probably nobody LIKES mixing up the special sauce? That they, perhaps, need to be paid higher in order to attract people to a brutal job?

I've never understood people who don't understand that people who do awful jobs need to be paid more. McDonalds employees are absolutely worth more than the employees at your local Best Buy. Why? Because flipping burgers for fat frank and his whole family for 8.5 hours a day would make me want to shoot myself in the face.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Good lord... I guess everyone no matter how little skilled they are deserve to make as much as someone with skills?

Maybe all hockey players should be paid the same amount and I.T. Guys make as much as the kid taking your order.

Why do people think that they shouldn't have to work for something? Get a skill and or an education and better themselves without having someone just hand it to them?

The person I pay to do a job shouldnt need to rely on government subsidies to live. I mean basic no car, shared living type of arrangement. Whatever that number is minimum wage should support it. I dont think it does in Calgary. $10 per hour is 20k per year before tax so that is probably 17k after deductions. Is $1500 per month enough to live off of?

[nik-]

I couldn't imagine living in Calgary on $1500 a month, and that's also based on the assumption that you get a full 40 hours a week, which a lot of these jobs don't give you.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by GGG

The person I pay to do a job shouldnt need to rely on government subsidies to live. I mean basic no car, shared living type of arrangement. Whatever that number is minimum wage should support it. I dont think it does in Calgary. $10 per hour is 20k per year before tax so that is probably 17k after deductions. Is $1500 per month enough to live off of?

Why not? I live fine on less than $1500/mo I don't live above my means.

[PIMking]

Put it this way, I take home $732/ bi-weekly... I'm not poor and I'm not on any government handouts.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Why not? I live fine on less than $1500/mo I don't live above my means.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...scaloosa%2C+AL

[jayswin]

I always laugh when I hear people say fast food is easy. It's so a "I've never actually worked in in the fast food industry" thing to say, because their experience with the industry is as a customer, standing at a till saying "I'll take a number 2 with coke", seeing it come out to them and going "nothing to this job".

No it isn't easy, it's just a bottom of the barrel job that requires no education or experience, that's why it pays like crap. The job itself is pushy, sweaty and fast paced and full of customers who don't respect you and think you're a piece of **** for having a job where you flip burgers.

I respect the hell out of fast food employees you run into that take a lot of pride in their job and serve you with genuine pride in their work. Especially when I get back to work and deal with some guy making $80k a year who wants to talk about an email he received in error and how it apparently threw off his whole day and needs to be addressed.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Why not? I live fine on less than $1500/mo I don't live above my means.

That link above shows groceries are 30% less and rent is 45% less. Could you live on $1000 a month?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Put it this way, I take home $732/ bi-weekly... I'm not poor and I'm not on any government handouts.

Good Lord man, I know Calgary has a high cost of living, but you're a front desk manager at a large hotel, right? You'd likely be looking at $23/hr or higher for the same position here. What is $1400 a month, like $11/hr?

[MrMastodonFarm]

So we've quickly come to the real reason behind PIMking's anger.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Good Lord man, I know Calgary has a high cost of living, but you're affront desk manager at a large hotel, right? You'd likely be looking at $23/hr or higher for the same position here. What is $1400 a month, like $11/hr?

Assistant but our gm was let go earlier this month and I may get it and a nice pay raise.

My salary is 26,200/year which isn't much but my insurance is 87/per check and its pretty good. Now the insurance will change at the end of the year but if I get the gm job I should go up to 40-45k

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Assistant but our gm was let go earlier this month and I may get it and a nice pay raise.

My salary is 26,200/year which isn't much but my insurance is 87/per check and its pretty good. Now the insurance will change at the end of the year but if I get the gm job I should go up to 40-45k

Okay, well if there's a position waiting in the wings that pays respectably then that's good. If not I'd say pack up your life and move up here.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a "salary" of 26,200 up here, lol. Anyone making that much would be making an hourly wage.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Assistant but our gm was let go earlier this month and I may get it and a nice pay raise.

My salary is 26,200/year which isn't much but my insurance is 87/per check and its pretty good. Now the insurance will change at the end of the year but if I get the gm job I should go up to 40-45k

Wow.

I make over 40k a year and I just run a music store. I didn't even finish my degree and I baaaaaarely have to do actual work.

Come to Canada, it's mad juicy up here.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So we've quickly come to the real reason behind PIMking's anger.

Yeah, no kidding. An assistant GM of a hotel making like $11 an hour in on a message board discussion about McDonalds employees being worth $15/hr.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by strombad

Wow.

I make over 40k a year and I just run a music store. I didn't even finish my degree and I baaaaaarely have to do actual work.

Come to Canada, it's mad juicy up here.

We still have music stores up here? Or are you talking like instruments? And if so, where do I go so I can come get a discount from you?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

Good. Paying people a liveable wage will get them off of all types of government hand outs. Food stamps, social assistance, tax breaks ect. The government shouldn't be helping business by subsidizing their workers.

While this is true, and Walmart is a great example of a company whose business model takes advantage of government welfare, I prefer if people would just stop shopping at Walmart, and instead start supporting companies like Costco who treat their employees fairly well.