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theslymonkey · 04-11-2014, 01:01 PM

Points are stupid. Wins and Losses would make it so simple.

NBA: Wins/Losses. NO POINTS
NFL: Wins/Losses. NO POINTS
MLB: Wins/Losses. NO POINTS

NO MORE POINTS!!!

MisterJoji · 04-11-2014, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strombad

Why can't you have games worth different amounts?

Because every game should have equal value for fairness. It is stupid that currently some games are worth more than others. I also think the NHL's argument that 3 point games would somehow hamper the playoff races, is stupid. I think it would make even more teams competitive for playoff spots. If you're behind 8th place by 6 points, 2 regulation wins and you've caught up.

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

3 for a regulation win
2 for an OT/SO win
1 for an OT/SO loss

Every game needs to be worth the same amount of points and as long as you use the shootout to decide games you can't use the win/loss method.

If you get rid of the shootout then you can go to a straight win/loss method, but then you run the risk of having multiple OT games in the regular season.

This is the perfect scenario, there should be more weight given to a regulation win vs. winning by a "gimmick". However, I do still enjoy the shootout and would hate to go back to ties, but a SO win shouldn't be worth the same as a regulation win.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sun

You guys, you can't have some games worth 3 pts and some worth 2 pts. That is what we're trying to fix here.

Reg win - 3pts
Reg loss - 0 pts

OTW - 3 or 2 pts
OTL - 0 or 1 pt

SOW - 3pts or 2 pts
SOL - 0 or 1pt

Personally, I like 3 pts for an OTW and 2 for a SOW, but the important part is that all games have 3 pts up for grabs.

I like your logic that each game should be worth the same amount of points in total. Then, to be fair, you'd need to deal with SO loss/win points somehow. Either make it 1.75/1.25 or increase the regulation win to 4 to have whole numbers. (P.S. Correction, even at 4 points for a reg.win it still wouldn't be whole numbers, just one decimal - 2.5/1.5 for a SO w/l)

MisterJoji · 04-11-2014, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I like your logic that each game should be worth the same amount of points in total. Then, to be fair, you'd need to deal with SO loss/win points somehow. Either make it 1.75/1.25 or increase the regulation win to 4 to have whole numbers.

I think he's saying all games worth 3 points.

Regulation Win = 3 points
Regulations Loss = 0 points

Option A: OT/SO Win = 3 points
OT/SO loss = 0 points

Option B: OT/SO Win = 2 points
OT/SO Loss = 1 point

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 01:18 PM

I agree with him. I'm saying the same thing with the exception of SO result.

3-0
2-1
1.75 - 1.25

or

4-0
3-1
2.5 - 1.5

MisterJoji · 04-11-2014, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I agree with him. I'm saying the same thing with the exception of SO result.

3-0
2-1
1.75 - 1.25

or

4-0
3-1
2.5 - 1.5

Bringing decimal points into it would be a major mistake and confusing to casual fans. An OT win used to be worth the same as a regulation win prior to the inception of the shootout, so why not

Reg/OT Win = 3 points
Reg/OT Loss = 0 points

SO Win = 2 Points
SO Loss = 1 point

I know the argument is there that then teams would just play for the shootout, but if you're a desperate team in a playoff race, going all in in OT for 3 points could increase excitement in the last few minutes of regulation time or OT. Or add an extra 5 minutes of 3 on 3 OT. It would add excitement and would severely decrease the amount of games that went to SO.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 01:36 PM

For those fans that actually do watch points, decimals would not change anything one way or another. The premise is that a SO win should in fairness be worth less than an OT win and so on.

theslymonkey · 04-11-2014, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

For those fans that actually do watch points, decimals would not change anything one way or another. The premise is that a SO win should in fairness be worth less than an OT win and so on.

Why? A win's a win.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Why? A win's a win.

Well, that's one way to look at it.

theslymonkey · 04-11-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Well, that's one way to look at it.

Every time I'm at the dome, I don't care how they win. And losing is still losing.

Winner takes all, losers out. That's the way I look at every game.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 01:48 PM

During elimination play, yes. In a regular season, this lacks fairness. SO win should not make the winning team 3 (or 2) points better in the standings.

Rerun · 04-11-2014, 01:48 PM

Regulation time win = 5 points
Regulation time loss = 0 points
Overtime win = 4 points
Overtime loss = 0 points
Shootout win = 2 points
Shootout loss = 1 point

/ nuff said

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

Regulation time win = 5 points
Regulation time loss = 0 points
Overtime win = 4 points
Overtime loss = 0 points
Shootout win = 2 points
Shootout loss = 1 point

/ nuff said

Lol

19Yzerman19 · 04-11-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jets4Life

Regulation win= 3 points
Overtime Win= 2 points
Overtime Loss= 1 point
Regulation Loss= 0 points
It would create more incentive for a regulation win. Thoughts?

Nope. Actually incentivizes holding on for overtime to guarantee a point, and still rewards losing. Fail.

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Originally Posted by puckluck2

IMO it should be:
Regulation win: 3 points
Overtime win: 3 points
Overtime loss: 0 points
Shootout win: 2 points
Shootout loss: 1 point

Nope. Incentivizes conservative play in OT to get to the shootout just like the original post did for 3rd periods. Fail.

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Originally Posted by codynw

Regulation / OT win - 2 points
Shootout win - 1 point
loss of any kind - 0 points

Acceptable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Regulation win= 3 points
Regulation Loss= 0 points
Overtime Win= 2 points
Overtime Loss= 0 points
Shootout Win = 1 points
Shootout Loss = 0 points

Bingo.

ForeverFlameFan · 04-11-2014, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun

You guys, you can't have some games worth 3 pts and some worth 2 pts. That is what we're trying to fix here.

Reg win - 3pts
Reg loss - 0 pts

OTW - 3 or 2 pts
OTL - 0 or 1 pt

SOW - 3pts or 2 pts
SOL - 0 or 1pt

Personally, I like 3 pts for an OTW and 2 for a SOW, but the important part is that all games have 3 pts up for grabs.

I thought about it and you're right that all games need to have the same amount of points. Right now, all you are getting is 2 and 3 point games. If games go into regulation, only 2 points are handed out. Games that go into overtime are 3 point games. Makes me wonder if some teams towards the end of the year just push for overtime games to ensure that they both get at least a point at the end of the day.

I have a new one:

Regulation Wins - 3
Regulation Losses - 0
OT Win/SO Win - 2
OT Loss/SO Loss - 1

There shouldn't be ties, but there still should be an increased overtime. 10 minutes of 4 on 4 will definitely decrease a lot of shootouts.

Basically, I am concluding that there should 3 point games all around and making overtime games 10 minutes rather than 5.

sun · 04-11-2014, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strombad

Why can't you have games worth different amounts?

It's illogical. Whether an OT win is worth more or less than a shootout win is opinion and up for debate, but the number of points handed out per game has to be the same every game.

19Yzerman19 · 04-11-2014, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun

It's illogical. Whether an OT win is worth more or less than a shootout win is opinion and up for debate, but the number of points handed out per game has to be the same every game.

Why? You've provided no explanation for this.

I couldn't care less if different wins are worth different amounts. The ideal point system is the one that accurately rewards teams for their play and motivates teams to play entertaining hockey. The best way to do that is to encourage teams to try to win the game as early as possible - first by going all out to win in the 3rd, then by going all out to win in OT so as to avoid a shootuout.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 02:25 PM

To make the maximum pool of points available to each team during the season equal for each team.

19Yzerman19 · 04-11-2014, 02:28 PM

The maximum pool is equally available to each team. At the start of the season, under that system, you have an available pool of 246 points. There is absolutely no inequity. If you end up playing in a bunch of games that are worth 2 or 1 point, you were unable to put away your opponents in regulation often enough. The points lost as a result were entirely within your control to win.

If I win 40 games in overtime, and another team in the conference wins 40 games by an average of 3 goals, the other team has performed better and there's no reason the standings shouldn't reflect this.

CaptainYooh · 04-11-2014, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

The maximum pool is equally available to each team. At the start of the season, under that system, you have an available pool of 246 points. There is absolutely no inequity. If you end up playing in a bunch of games that are worth 2 or 1 point, you were unable to put away your opponents in regulation often enough. The points lost as a result were entirely within your control to win.

True. The argument is though that a regulation win is worth more than an OT win and and OT win is worth more than a SO win. Same for the losses.