[News Roundup] Burke does his homework. Has a hockey trade in the works?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by strombad

I suppose it is all your opinion, but you're not exactly a great talent scout yourself.

Hudler and Cammy are nearly interchangeable. Hyperbole is not necessary to justify one over the other. I think Hudler has higher value because of a discounted contract that has term, but he floats just like Cammy does. Cammy might float a bit more, but he's also much more of a natural point producer than Hudler.

Regardless, I think both guys fetch similar packages, and I don't think keeping one over the other has any negative or positive implication to the Flames.

Save your insults. You are in for a big surprise. Hurdler is better than Cammalleri in every facet of the game right now. Cammalleri, prior to the Montreal experiment, was superior, but since then he has turned into a bad hockey player. I think Burke recognizes this and explains why Cammalleri is still a Flame and why he's hinting at a real hockey trade.

[puds]

I don't think Wideman makes me such sense as his value is probably close to zero unless salary is retained. He's fallen down the flames depth chart and we have one of the worst Ds in the league.

I could see both Hudler and Cammi being traded. I like the skill and attitude Hudler brings but don't see him as an integral piece as the Flames rebuild. If all goes well with Baertschi/Gaudreau his skill set should be redundant.

I think Cammi has a higher compete level and that's why Burke is interested in keeping him around. By the sounds of it though he will be on the move.

What kind of piece do you guys think Hudler could bring in?

[wingmaker]

Obviously Hudler is a good player. He has been arguably the Flames best forward over the course of the season. That's exactly why you trade him over Cammy. The Flames are in a rebuild. If Hudler, on a cap friendly deal, can net you some serious prospects or draft picks and Cammy can't, then that is the smart move. Trade Hudler for the assets and sign Cammy as a hard worker, team player who can get you to the cap floor. The Flames don't need the better player for the next two years, they need the better team three + years from now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I bet Tampa would love to get their hands on Hudler and Calgary could take Malone back as part of the deal to wash out the contracts.

He is big and over paid, Burke will love him.

I kid I kid..

Toss in Connelly I would look at it from a Calgary perspective

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

Save your insults. You are in for a big surprise. Hurdler is better than Cammalleri in every facet of the game right now. Cammalleri, prior to the Montreal experiment, was superior, but since then he has turned into a bad hockey player. I think Burke recognizes this and explains why Cammalleri is still a Flame and why he's hinting at a real hockey trade.

Well I don't know who this Hurdler character is, but hey, maybe I'm wrong about Cammy.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

I bet Tampa would love to get their hands on Hudler

I doubt it. They already have two small guys in their top 6 right now (St Louis and Johnson), and Drouin isn't exactly huge either. Don't think they'll be keen on bringing in another smurf.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by devo22

I doubt it. They already have two small guys in their top 6 right now (St Louis and Johnson), and Drouin isn't exactly huge either. Don't think they'll be keen on bringing in another smurf.

If there's any legs to St Louis being moved maybe Hudler could be brought in.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think we'd make a mistake if we traded Hudler. Best playmaker on the team, and he makes his line mates good too. Has been a great veteran and mentor for the youngsters, he deserves to stay.

Really don't care about his trade value in the market, his value staying here is more in my opinion.

[The Hendog]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Could see teams like Washington, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto interested in Hudler.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If Anaheim is looking for an upgrade on left wing I bet they are involved as well.

Hudler gives you cost certainty as a contender moving forward. Valuable commodity.

What return would you like to see for Hudler from these teams hypothetically speaking of course? 1st round pick & less prospect? 2nd round pick and better prospect?

I am just curious because I briefly looked and couldn't come up with anything really.

I could definitely see something with the Ducks if they wanted Hudler; they have 2 first round picks this year and a cupboard full of decent prospects.

[Diemenz]

Flames get a good player with a good attitude on a good contract.

Posters on Calgarypuck believe he should be traded.

You guys do realize that trading everyone over 25 who plays well will turn the flames into Edmonton right?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by The Hendog

What return would you like to see for Hudler from these teams hypothetically speaking of course? 1st round pick & less prospect? 2nd round pick and better prospect?

I am just curious because I briefly looked and couldn't come up with anything really.

I could definitely seen something with the Ducks if they wanted Hudler; they have 2 first round picks this year and a cupboard full of decent prospects.

Hudler isn't a rental player. He's on a good contract, has a few years left on the deal and is playing the best hockey of his career right now. If moved (I don't think he should be) he gets more of a return than your average pending UFA would.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Flames get a good player with a good attitude on a good contract.

Posters on Calgarypuck believe he should be traded.

You guys do realize that trading everyone over 25 who plays well will turn the flames into Edmonton right?

Considering no one (besides Jackman/Nemisz I guess) has been traded yet I don't think we're in any danger of that yet.

I think it's more a case of CP'ers being pretty much open to trading anyone, as opposed to wanting to trade everyone.

Edit: Except for Poe. He wants to trade everyone

[Erick Estrada]

Unless we actually hear Hudler's names in any rumours I'm not going to put a lot of stock in this talk as it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO to trade your most skilled forward signed to a very reasonable deal unless the return is a very good young player.

[dammage79]

Just do not think the return for Hudler is more valuable than he is to the team at this point. Don't think he should be traded at all.

[Tinordi]

Thing with trading Hudler is that players that aren't rentals tend to be exchanged for other players that aren't rentals because of the cap. So we'd be making, as Burke said, a hockey trade of Hudler for probably a younger guy that's establishing themselves.

Difficult to get a read on Hudler's value in that regard. I would guess that if we're trading a guy like Hudler and it's a hockey trade then we'd be trading for someone on D who will move Butler down the depth chart.

If I trade Hudler to Minnesota then I'd want someone like Brodin back but I don't know how the Wild would like that.

[bubbsy]

agreed. i don't buy any concept of hudler being moved. he's the only player that has consistently made his linemates better, and immediately improved the points/stats of guys when he plays with him.

How much of monahan's offensive numbers have had hudler's contribution? Didn't he also play with backlund during his consistent point streak?

we've seen flames teams with big, scoring players, but without the high end creative skill guys, (ie. huselius, tanguay, hudler,)scoring was a bit of a problem.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

Flames get a good player with a good attitude on a good contract.

Posters on Calgarypuck believe he should be traded.

You guys do realize that trading everyone over 25 who plays well will turn the flames into Edmonton right?

Nor does keeping a roster full of vets on one of the worst teams in the league. Lets not forget where we are right now.

[Tinordi]

I think you're trading for the window. Hudler isn't going to be around when the window really opens, or if he is he'll be a shadow of his former self. You could trade him for a guy that could be a key piece for opening the window. That's the logic. Really who cares if there's a guy stirring the drink for Calgary this season and next? They aren't going anywhere. And we'll need our other guys to stir the drink instead if this team is going to make the next step, or "walk" as Hartley says. That means that we could hold onto Hudler or let the prospects like Baert and Monahan emerge into Hudler's role while getting a guy that will also emerge at around the same time.

Sure alot of ifs and maybes but that's the logic.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Value of Hudler in Calgary > Value of Hudler elsewhere

enough said.

[Enoch Root]

Hudler isn't going to be around when the Flames are competitive, sure (or at least won't be as good). But that doesn't mean he should be traded now.

I think that only one of Hudler or Cammalleri should be traded right now, and of course the answer is whatever makes sense, with respect to the return.

But it seems the most sensible path is to move Cammalleri this year and look to move Hudler next year - his value should be about the same.