good for her, she was pretty calm for what must have been nervewracking. Hopefully one day people won't have to come out because they won't be hiding anything. Always wondered what it's like for those people, do they just realize it one day or is it a slow realization.
It is important for gay people to tell others that they are gay so that others don't feel alone, ashamed, like there is something wrong with them. The more people that are out, the more normal/acceptable it becomes, the more the heterosexual community is towards acceptance. But just as, if not more important is for homosexuals to accept themselves.
Maybe it's important but it's starting to get to the point where these coming out conferences are turing into an; "Hey look at me everyone. I'm gay!". At the end of the day I don't really care if Ellen Page is gay or not. If gay people need celebrities coming out to accept themselves then I would suggest that their personal issues are larger than just being gay.
The who cares part is not what I thanked. Also, stop being so smug and pretentious on the issue. Majority of us here are in agreement on Equal rights for ALL. What I did thank was the ideology that everyone here is arguing about. That coming out of the closet should not be an issue for anyone, for anything and should not in this day and age be a "thing" why you or a few of the other avid and staunch posters here don't get is there can a differentiating view on how to accomplish these goals.
No one here is slandering you or Flameswin or Strombad (a few of the bigger mouths and most judgemental) for what you are standing up for. You're correct in the point you are attempting to get across. What I hate about you guys right now is your efforts to belittle, bully and bash any poster that does not see your point of view to an exact standard. Back off already.
Don't ever drop my name without a direct quote, that is uncalled for.
Good for Ellen Page to come out, be a light for some people who are hiding and give them strength to do the same.
At the end of the day, and the clear end game to all this peacocking is for no one to come out of the closet and be applauded or persecuted for it. And before you spin that to mean "they should stay in the closet", there should be no fear for anyone to live the lifestyle they want to live.
But I do not put the LGBT community on a higher pedastal in my arguments over Native rights, religious oppession, racism et al. I view it all the same. EVERYONE deserves equal rights. The focal point is the same, the platform is different for some. Picking up what I am putting down?
Now go love the smell of your own farts.
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I respond to that with..... you guessed it, WHO CARES!
Seriously, not every celeb that comes out deserves a medal. I don't care who these people are taking to bed and neither should anyone else. If the LGBT community wants equality, then I why should I care any more about who Ellen Page beds than who anyone does?
Ellen Page being a lesbian makes zero difference in my life, so why exactly should I care? Sure maybe for the gay kid that is scared to come out it makes a difference, but because she makes a difference to him/her it doesn't mean everyone else should care.
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Maybe it's important but it's starting to get to the point where these coming out conferences are turing into an; "Hey look at me everyone. I'm gay!". At the end of the day I don't really care if Ellen Page is gay or not. If gay people need celebrities coming out to accept themselves then I would suggest that their personal issues are larger than just being gay.
I don't think it is about then accepting themselves........
I respond to that with..... you guessed it, WHO CARES!
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Sure maybe for the gay kid that is scared to come out it makes a difference
Doesn't that kind of answer the question of who actually should care? I don't really hold an opinion, but the post seemed to answer the question posed.
To you, this topic may not be terribly important. And I think that's fair - the information may not be too relevant for you. But for those who do do struggle with their own identity and for people who feel that this group needs the additional support of celebrities coming forward, this is a relevant topic for them.
Easy enough to answer. How did you realize you were attracted to the opposite sex? Did you just realize it one day or was it a slow realization?
watching buffy the vampire slayer when I was 13, remember it quite well. But that's just me, might not be so sudden if society is telling you it's the opposite of the norm.
LOL..first time back in this thread since I made my comment. Dammage79 said it best, I wasn't trying to be flippant or a gay basher, simply suggesting that it would be great if we didn't have to hear this news every day.
Lets face it, we are only talking about a specific religious and political demographic that has an issue with this. Network TV certainly doesn't have an issue highlighting gay people, hell The Biggest Loser joined the coming out party with Bob this year...did it make an iota of difference?. It's hard to find a show that doesn't star or have a gay person playing a significant role.
Gays will never change the minds of the Republican/Conservative base anyways....so who cares.
Didn't seem to get a star of Duck Dynasty far by being homophobic.
Oh one other thing...there are many heteros who struggle with their identities as well it isn't necessarily a gay issue.
it would be great if we didn't have to hear this news every day.
do you really have to though? you were the one that came into this thread. People are talking like it's shoved down their throat when it doesn't seem like that to me. That being said, a bunch of people for equal rights arguing over nothing is silly.
I respond to that with..... you guessed it, WHO CARES!
Seriously, not every celeb that comes out deserves a medal. I don't care who these people are taking to bed and neither should anyone else. If the LGBT community wants equality, then I why should I care any more about who Ellen Page beds than who anyone does?
Ellen Page being a lesbian makes zero difference in my life, so why exactly should I care? Sure maybe for the gay kid that is scared to come out it makes a difference, but because she makes a difference to him/her it doesn't mean everyone else should care.
You really seem to care.
I don't care about dress shoes, Roll Up The Rim To Win, or Xbox vs. Playstation, so I don't bother opening those topics. You don't care about Ellen Page being gay, but here you are opening the topic, commenting on it, and pretty much getting into an argument about it.
The "I Don't Care" sentiment seems to be more about "I'm tired of hearing about gay people" and less about "I have no opinion about other people's sexuality, so I don't care if she's gay or not".
Am I completely off?
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I do find it a bit funny. Message boards (along with many other forms of social media) are inherently catered towards narcissistic people. People who have a belief that their opinion is one valid or important enough to broadcast into public and to be taken seriously. "Who cares?"... precisely, who DOES care? Not so much about Ellen Page, but rather about your opinion? Or my opinion?
Ellen Page came out at an LGBT conference she was asked to speak at, to a large group of people who DO care, media picked up the story because people DO care, and it IS a story because there are plenty of people out there who DO care and who are inspired or find meaning in her story. It's not about "I'm gay, care!", it's about sharing a story that means something to part of the population that share struggles some people will never truly understand.
It wasn't done for attention, but it was done with purpose.
Guys like AlbertaBeef, Estrada, or Cheese, before you feel the need to jump in and ask "Who cares?" I would suggest that you consider the question carefully. Who DOES care? Who cares about what YOU think? As I said, social media caters heavily to narcissistic behaviour, and I know that narcissism fools you into believing that anybody cares about the state of interest you have in the matter, but the fact is, very few people do. Society has this thing where people believe that everything has to matter to THEM to be important, but unfortunately, it just doesn't.
The amount of people who care about the speech she gave far outweigh the amount of people who care about your opinion, or even mine. So before you type "who cares?" make sure you fully realise that the answer will almost always be "More people that care about what you, or I, have to say about it."
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No one here is slandering you or Flameswin or Strombad (a few of the bigger mouths and most judgemental) ... What I hate about you guys right now is your efforts to belittle, bully and bash any poster that does not see your point of view to an exact standard. Back off already.
I also wanted to quote you directly, simply so I could show you how hypocritical you tend to be by responding to your quote with another quote from you.
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Don't ever drop my name without a direct quote, that is uncalled for.
I don't require you to hear what I have to say, respect my opinion, or anything like that. However, I would suggest that your clear hurt feelings are equally the result of how you deal with others. I've made peace that I rub people the wrong way from time to time, perhaps you should own your own inability to communicate respectfully. You do not live in a bubble, you post on a message board. If you feel your opinions should be saved from critical thinking or victim to a style of language you don't like, that's on you.
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FFS the number of jock straps tied in a knot here is just silly.
The fact that the media picks up on the story is inconsequential, the fact she came out at a LGBT event is the only thing that matters. She didnt pick a Republican convention which would really be a news story.
Oh and...I'm not trying to change anyone's thoughts or feelings on the LGBT community by saying who cares on a hockey forum. If that's narcisstic then so be it, but I'm about as far away from that decree as you can get.
I also wanted to quote you directly, simply so I could show you how hypocritical you tend to be by responding to your quote with another quote from you.
Agreed, it was hypocritical of me. But it does not negate the point. Your thoughts are still bullying and belittling in nature and do require a response.
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I don't require you to hear what I have to say, respect my opinion, or anything like that. However, I would suggest that your clear hurt feelings are equally the result of how you deal with others. I've made peace that I rub people the wrong way from time to time, perhaps you should own your own inability to communicate respectfully. You do not live in a bubble, you post on a message board. If you feel your opinions should be saved from critical thinking or victim to a style of language you don't like, that's on you.
I was communicating respectfully. Calling you out and the few others I mentioned out on your schtick was a bonus. I mean since DA decided to call us thankers out who hadn't even made a post in this thread, fair is fair.
There's the belittling.. keep it coming. Smug, pretentious and typical. You don't require people to hear what you have to say but you sure do like putting it out there....a lot. Especially when it comes to questioning other's character on a topic you are passionate about. If you could read properly you would see on this topic in particular that we are on the same page save but a few small variances.
Again, stop posting like you're better than others and on a higher platform and discuss the topic in question with better accumen. Or you could just go F*** yourself. At this point I don't really care.
There's no clearly hurt feeling here, I think you need to adjust your emotional recognition radar, because my feelings are clearly the opposite.
And the Critical thinking part of your post... seriously? I didn't make a F***ing post in this thread. I responded to the post appropriately.
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Cheese, (as a quick aside, it's SO hard to seriously attempt a point when calling you "Cheese" haha) don't take offence from my comment on narcissism, it wasn't necessarily directed at you, but rather the very act of commenting on social issues in a public space.
I do think you are missing the point however. She didn't pick a republican convention because it wasn't FOR republicans, it was for LGBT youth. That's why it's news, despite what you may think. It's not news FOR you, but it's not intended to be.
Just because something happens on the news, doesn't mean it's for every person. This is news for people who are LGBT, who know or are related to someone who is LGBT, or people who care about the subject. It IS news, make no mistake, it's just obviously not intended for you, and that's ok.
You're not a bad person for not caring, but you are wrong for thinking it isn't news. It is news to a lot of people (not just for the act, but her inspirational speech), and you do no service to anyone by being flippant and saying "Who cares" or that it isn't even news at all. It's not about you.
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