Warren Rychel unloads on Hockey Canada's World Junior Showing

[moon]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

2005 was probably the most talented roster Canada has ever iced though. Tough to match that.

Probably the best junior team anyone ever iced.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Yeah, true enough. I just don't think the 2006 roster should be labeled some ragtag bunch of only scrubs, they had some decent players. I didn't know Kris Russell was on that squad.

Boyd & Comeau though.......

The funny thing was, I think Boyd actually led the team in goals and Comeau in points..

I would like to see how that team compared to the competition though. Even if it was a "weak" team, it is all relative.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by spetch

Knowing somebody very very well who played under Sutter said he is an awful coach/GM. He backed it up with locker room stories (won't tell them here), but he also pointed out that Sutter inherited a good crop of players they he did not draft in Red Deer to win the memorial cup. Look at what his team as done when he was at the helm of drafting, once his crop of bantam drafted players starting becoming WHL'rs they took a nose dive in the standings.

I am not sure anyone said Sutter was a good GM, and I am not sure how the fact that he inherited good players and led them to a Memorial Cup championship and three consecutive league finals shows that he is an awful coach. He did have some misses in the bantam draft like Cam Ward, Derek Meech, Colin Fraser, Dion Phaneuf, Drew Stafford, Blair Jones amongst others. So I guess at worst you could say he is an awful GM for having won with players he did not draft and then an awful coach for not having won with good players he drafted.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by spetch

Knowing somebody very very well who played under Sutter said he is an awful coach/GM. He backed it up with locker room stories (won't tell them here), but he also pointed out that Sutter inherited a good crop of players they he did not draft in Red Deer to win the memorial cup. Look at what his team as done when he was at the helm of drafting, once his crop of bantam drafted players starting becoming WHL'rs they took a nose dive in the standings.

So a player, who is probably bitter that he didn't get enough ice-time, thinks his former coach was awful. Well I'm convince...

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by macrov

Maybe he's a bad coach who just got lucky once or twice.

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You don't go undefeated in four straight tournaments by being "lucky".

[Itse]

I just wish Canada used Brent Sutter in every tournament.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Itse

I just wish Canada used Brent Sutter in every tournament.

Sounds good to me.

16-2-1 is a damn fine record and few coaches have had any more success than him.

[vilzeh]

The point here moon is that when the other nations are getting skilled players also, the coaching is pretty important, that's why I also hope Brent Sutter will always coach Team Canada from now on.

[moon]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

The point here moon is that when the other nations are getting skilled players also, the coaching is pretty important, that's why I also hope Brent Sutter will always coach Team Canada from now on.

Sure and when other countries have had skilled players Brent Sutter has beat them a lot more often than not.

Not sure why you guys would wish for a coach that has shown he wins a lot more than he loses and wins Gold more often than not.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fotze

I know someone who played four years for him in Red Deer and would pretty much take a bullet for him.

Brent Sutter strikes me as a guy that would be great to have a beer with and chat hockey, but from what I witnessed as a fan is that he lacks creativity and isn't a good assessor of talent.

Maybe the key for him to succeed is to give him a bunch of grinder clones.

[Royle9]

Needed more Poirier for sure.
I'm sorry but I feel they need to have a selection camp and let the kids earn it, there was a full line of players (Gauthier/Leier/Rychel) that did absolutely nothing not to mention the poor play from another handful of Canada's forwards.

The reason you have these 3-4 day selection camps is to get some chemistry going and see who gel's well with one another and give everyone a shot. How on earth Poirier was not selected is beyond me, he was top 5 in scoring at the time, his speed on the big ice would have been very noticeable and the kid is physical and not soft in the corners.

Canada played like crap and placed exactly where they deserved. Lets hope next year they select a proper team.

/my 2 cents

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

The point here moon is that when the other nations are getting skilled players also, the coaching is pretty important, that's why I also hope Brent Sutter will always coach Team Canada from now on.

Well it was too bad this year for Sweden, as a country they had an opportunity to overtake Sutter for gold medals but choked in the final. Of course they have trailed the great Jason Botterill for gold medals for a good number of years now. I think Canadian hockey is fine regardless of who is coaching.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by timbit

Do not underestimate the wrath of an unhappy hockey parent.

Exactly what a great many sound like.

He did just trade his kid away from the junior team he owns. I'm fairly confident he's able to separate the father from the hockey mind when he needs too.

[Scoreface]

3 shots on goal against the Fins in the third period. The whole game was pretty much a disaster. Sutter cannot adjust to a trap team. It was the same in the NHL. Could he not have had them flip it in softly and forecheck?? Nope. Try to beat 3 guys or rim it around hard. Over and over again. Trap teams like Finland and Minnesota at the time he has no answer to.

Finland knew that and executed it to perfection. Selection process? That's another ball of yarn and it was an utter joke. He didnt do himself any favours coaching this rag tag group. Good coach when he has a talented team and the opposition plays loose, trading chances. They lock things down and he's befuddled Mr. Grumpy pants with his arms crossed and seething.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Except that the 2006 team was nowhere near stacked. In terms of talent, it was probably far behind this year's team overall. Sutter and Hockey Canada certainly deserve criticism for how poor this tournament went. But don't let your bitter Flames fan hatred for how Calgary failed under him lead you to revise history. Sutter is, and always was, a very good junior coach. Even if he certainly did not show it here.

This is my issue, there are times when Sutter looks confident and competent, but then there are other times, for instance at this tournament, where he looked completely lost.

His lineups were sometimes baffling, his benching decisions making little to no sense. For this tournament I'd say his coaching decisions were exceedingly poor. It was like he had his mind on something else the whole time.

[Scoreface]

You know what? Warren Rychel has an inside track to that team and I don't believe for one iota that his son's lack of ice time and zero production has anything to do with it. He is PO'd because he actually gives a damn and isn't taking any prisoners. If you want to defend that joke of a roster with many notable omissions such as Max Domi and the leading scorer from the OHL as a 19 year old, then go right ahead.

Yeah, Warren looks rough and may need a defibrelator, who knows? Maybe he's alright and is the only voice of 'noteriety' that gives a damn, bedsides Cherry. This is the the other 'ball of yarn' I'm alluding to. Saying a penalty is called when the crowd says so is over the top. I can see that. Pretty sure it was a pro Canadian crowd in the bronze medal game.

So what? He's a passionate hockey Canada guy I'd have in my corner when it comes to this. He really cares about the state that Junior hockey is in here in our home land, and I couldn't agree with him more. I don't want free passes and building for next year. I want f'ing gold. So does he. What the hell is wrong with wanting that??!

Most of us wear the Maple Leaf when it comes to this and we look forward to it with anticipation. To see a flap jack result is inexcusable. Sure they played ok against the Russians, but they are another open style of hockey. Brent can deal with that. The Fin's owned them and he had no answer. Sweden would have too, but the score would have been just as bad, if not worse.

When Brent is is in a pickle, he really is in a jar. When the going is good, he is firing on all cylinders. When the other team adjusts, he cannot. 'They have to play a certain way.' Ugghh..

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Scoreface

You know what? Warren Rychel has an inside track to that team and I don't believe for one iota that his son's lack of ice time and zero production has anything to do with it. He is PO'd because he actually gives a damn and isn't taking any prisoners. If you want to defend that joke of a roster with many notable omissions such as Max Domi and the leading scorer from the OHL as a 19 year old, then go right ahead.

Yeah, Warren looks rough and may need a defibrelator, who knows? Maybe he's alright and is the only voice of 'noteriety' that gives a damn, bedsides Cherry. This is the the other 'ball of yarn' I'm alluding to. Saying a penalty is called when the crowd says so is over the top. I can see that. Pretty sure it was a pro Canadian crowd in the bronze medal game.

So what? He's a passionate hockey Canada guy I'd have in my corner when it comes to this. He really cares about the state that Junior hockey is in here in our home land, and I couldn't agree with him more. I don't want free passes and building for next year. I want f'ing gold. So does he. What the hell is wrong with wanting that??!

Yeah, I dont know what Hockey Canada was thinking on this one. Its like they werent taking it seriously, and, quite honestly, it didnt seem like Sutter was taking it seriously either.

[moon]

Brent dealt just fine with every style of play when he went 12-0 and won two straight Golds. he didn't only face one style of opponent either.

The garbage being made up about him here is laughable.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by moon

Brent dealt just fine with every style of play when he went 12-0 and won two straight Golds. he didn't only face one style of opponent either.

The garbage being made up about him here is laughable.

It is laughable, because I watched the tournament and the consensus was that he was making crazy decisions. Just ask Warren Rychel.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by fotze

I know someone who played four years for him in Red Deer and would pretty much take a bullet for him.

On the contrary I knew a guy who played for him and wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

I don't blame Brent though as he never picked the god awful Canadian jr squad. He was set up to fail.