[Rumour] Nazem Kadri on trade block

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by shniper

Baertschi, + for Kadri

that's the fear for me... but it would definitely require something along those lines to pry Kadri out (if you really want him)...

[FlamesAddiction]

Make it so!

I think his intensity is only going to go up, especially if he becomes "the" guy on a team. I also love that he has a bit of a pest in him too.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Right now Kadri is better than all of those players that you listed, and with perhaps the exception of Monahan, has a higher ceiling than all of those guys too. You don't not make a deal for a player because you already have a number of inferior players for that position. That just doesn't make any sense.

I don't make the deal because the cost of adding him is too much, especially when we have the guys we have.

If we had Stajan, Street, Cammy, Backlund playing for us for example and no depth in the organization perhaps you are willing to give up the big pieces it will take but with the depth we have, even though outside of Monahan (who definitely has a better upside) the players are worse than Kadri, it doesn't make sense to me to give up what it would take.

What doesn't make sense is trading from a place of weakness already, defense, to add to an area where you have a lot more depth.

[shniper]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

that's the fear for me... but it would definitely require something along those lines to pry Kadri out (if you really want him)...

I would be ok with the trade, unless Baertschi developed into a top guy 2 years down the road.

[Gondi Stylez]

If Kadri is up for grabs I think it will be for a hockey trade. Similar to the Phaneuf deal. Hopefully Burke can make amends!

[moon]

Originally Posted by shniper

Baertschi, + for Kadri

I would think Baertschi and Backlund is the minimum we would get him for but not sure that makes a ton of sense for the Leafs and fan proposals never seem to become real in the NHL.

I would think they would want either a direct replacement for Kadri at center, which we don't have or a defenseman like Brodie in return.

[shniper]

Baertschi, Russel?

[jschick88]

Could put this in the trade rumors thread as well.

Maple Leafs center Nazem Kadri and defenseman Jake Gardiner have attracted the most interest from other teams, and multiple league sources have told TFP that both players have been offered up in trade discussions.

According to one source, speaking on the basis of anonymity, the Leafs have inquired about Carolina Hurricanes center Jeff Skinner and may have been trying to work out a deal for the 21-year-old star.

However, the source also indicated that Carolina isn't likely to trade Skinner, unless the package being presented is too good for Rutherford to pass up.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/tor131230.html

[Calgary4LIfe]

Makes sense to package up Kadri with Gardiner for an upgrade at either C or D for them.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by moon

I would think Baertschi and Backlund is the minimum we would get him for but not sure that makes a ton of sense for the Leafs and fan proposals never seem to become real in the NHL.

I would think they would want either a direct replacement for Kadri at center, which we don't have or a defenseman like Brodie in return.

I think if the flames could add Kadri, they would set themselves up very well for the foreseeable future with Monahan and Kadri as your top two centermen.

That said, I don't see the Flames having the pieces that Toronto would want right now. From a pure hockey point of view the leafs would likely want at least one of Sven, Backlund, or Brodie and a quality vet.

I think the Leafs would look to add players that are in their prime, or very close to, for a piece like Kadri and who have term left on their deal. So it would take more than Cammellerri and spare parts. I also suspect the leafs are looking to shore up their D. They can do that in other deals (Gleason being mentioned in rumors), but chances are Chris Butler doesn't fit the bill. As well, although Brodie is a nice piece the Leafs already have two young puck moving D in Gardner and Rielly, both of which could be better than Brodie anyway.

I'm not sure what it would take for the Flames to get Kadri, but I'm sure Burke is at least asking. Both sides would have to get creative, and I just don't see the Flames having the pieces Toronto would want.

In all likelihood, this is probably just posturing on the Leafs behave to get Kadri to buy in and unless someone gives them a deal they can not resist, he's not going anywhere.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by EM11

Kadri for Glencross and Baertschi.

what makes Kadri's career potential way better than Baertschi?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by shniper

Baertschi, Russel?

not enough IMO.

sven is 2-3 years away from hitting his prime (and we don't even know what that is yet he could very well just be yet another kid who tore up jr and never made it) and russel is a UFA who could have been had for next to nothing less than a year ago.

In other words two question marks for a 23 year old top two C who is just entering his prime isn't going to cut it. Nonis should be fired for making that deal and Burke should be GM of the year.

Given what the Leafs need, I wouldn't even do Sven and Brodie for Kadri.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

what makes Kadri's career potential way better than Baertschi?

He has already shown that he can play in the top 6 at the NHL level.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

what makes Kadri's career potential way better than Baertschi?

well, Kadri has at least proven he can play in the NHL for starters.....

[moon]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Given what the Leafs need, I wouldn't even do Sven and Brodie for Kadri.

That is nuts.

I would be pissed if the Flames offered that. Brodie alone should be enough and something I don't think the Flames can/should offer.

[stemit14]

I hope Burke stays away from this trade... I really don't want to lose baertschi. I just know baertschi is going to turn into a great too six forward one day and in hope the flames have the patience to wait and let him become that for them.

[Gondi Stylez]

If Cammy were open to resigning with the Leafs it could be the piece they're looking for. Maybe something like Cammy (1/3 salary retained) + Backlund + Russel for Kadri + Liles + Pick/Prospect

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by TOfan

well, Kadri has at least proven he can play in the NHL for starters.....

so we should trade all potential prospects and young players for guys that have proven to play in the NHL...why even show up at the draft, just keep trading draft picks. Rebuilds require patience, you don't have any if its already time to move on from Sven

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Gondi Stylez

If Cammy were open to resigning with the Leafs it could be the piece they're looking for. Maybe something like Cammy (1/3 salary retained) + Backlund + Russel for Kadri + Liles + Pick/Prospect

If the Flames could negotiate a sign and trade involving Cammi, I could see that being apart of the deal. There were reports when he signed his last deal with Montreal that he had interest in playing for his home town team.

the only part I think the leafs might balk at here is Russel, given that he is a UFA.

If anything I think the emergence of Russel might make Brodie expendable. Everyone knows Burke likes size, and having two 185 lbs D-men doesn't really fit the mold. Russel would be the cheaper option and has out preformed Brodie so far. Thing is I see Brodie and Russel being more of what the Leafs already have in Gardner and Rielly.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

so we should trade all potential prospects and young players for guys that have proven to play in the NHL...why even show up at the draft, just keep trading draft picks. Rebuilds require patience, you don't have any if its already time to move on from Sven

I agree. rebuilds take time.

but, hypothetically, if I'm Dave Nonis I'm not trading a 23 year old player who has proven much more for an unproven one like Sven.

Baretschi may turn out to be the better player, but, right now, I don't think many GM's in the league would take that gamble. Both players are really young, but at this point and time Kadri looks to be the better bet in terms of fulfilling his career potential.

Sven on the other hand has looked completely overwhelmed this year and should likely stay in the AHL for the remainder of the year.