Gio becoming bonafide top 2 D?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by chockfullofgoodness

Haha! It's all good. I actually meant to add a smiley to my original post. Some guy a few months ago wrongly used the term 'mind-bottling' and it just kind of took off. A lot of posters use it now just to be funny. (Sorry. I really did not mean to come across as a dick)

It wasn't a mistake on CP, it's from the movie "Blades of Glory".

[Huntingwhale]

I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong about Gio this season. After last season, I honestly thought the leadership on our team was absolute crap and was a big reason for our decline year after year. Boy was I wrong. Gio has been THE model player on our team. Just look at our record with him out of the lineup. It's no surprise that the team fell on hard times when he was out with his injury. Gio's leadership has been absolutely inspirational for the entire team. In fact, all the vets have shown great leadership all season long.

I wouldn't trade him even if the other team overpaid for him. The Flames will never get a fair return for what he brings to the table. Not a slight against Iggy and all his years as captain, but Gio has been the perfect captain for this team. I'm happy as hell he is on our side.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by strombad

When I first joined here, I thought you were a bit more moderate. Lately though you've been thanking the most ridiculous posts and making a few head scratchers of your own. You ok? Everything good?

That trade is brutal, but putting that aside, you don't trade your captain and the biggest difference maker your team has just 'because'.

Big deal...he merely entertaining the idea of getting maximum value for a 30 yr. old core player in his prime on a bottom of the standings rebuilding team, it doesn't merit "everything good" comments.

Keep in mind this was the kind of comments given to posters who 2-3 years before The captain Iginla trade(in his prime) questioned if he should go.

I think Gio means allot to this team, is a great captain, and is playing amazing, but the question is reasonable.

What do you care what posts he thanks

[Da_Chief]

I somewhat agree with Sven27. Right now how many dman like Gio are available? The fact is we got burned by declining Iggy. Gio is 30 and signed for 2 more years after this.

If you can get some team to overpay then you have to explore it. If you can fix 2-3 other holes in the lineup by removing him then it accelerates the process. That being said if its something like JBo's return you hang up the phone.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I know this isn't going to be popular but I wouldn't mind seeing Gio dealt while his value is at an all time high. To Philly for Schenn and Laughton or something.

And for all the times you've thought some of my posts were wack...

But props for bravely suggesting something so far out of the box. I can kind of respect that.. even if I don't agree with it.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Big deal...he merely entertaining the idea of getting maximum value for a 30 yr. old core player in his prime on a bottom of the standings rebuilding team, it doesn't merit "everything good" comments.



Keep in mind this was the kind of comments given to posters who 2-3 years before The captain Iginla trade(in his prime) questioned if he should go.



I think Gio means allot to this team, is a great captain, and is playing amazing, but the question is reasonable.



What do you care what posts he thanks

I was simply being observational. I don't care what he thanks, I was just pointing out a pattern. You apparently care very much about what I choose to point out.

I find the question unreasonable. You just don't trade away your best player and role model for younger guys in the thick of a rebuild. You trade away the Iginla's when your team is trending down to restock the shelves, not when your team has hit near the bottom and needs strong and capable leaders.

That, or you trade Gio and end up like Edmonton, or Florida, but do your thang.

Cool? Cool.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Pliddy

Selfishly, I hope he does not make team Canada, he's coming off an injury, plays much bigger than he actually is and with all the blocked shots it has to take it's toll. I would rather he heal than fly to Russia and squeeze in so many games in a compressed schedule. He is too damn important to our team, let's keep his awesomness as our little secret

For what exactly? Finishing 11th in the West instead of 15th? I like Giordano a lot, but I also liked Iginla long after his utility to the Flames had diminished (despite still being a good player).

As for the whether or not he's a bonafide top 2... that shouldn't even be a question. Of course he is.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by strombad

I was simply being observational. I don't care what he thanks, I was just pointing out a pattern. You apparently care very much about what I choose to point out.

I find the question unreasonable. You just don't trade away your best player and role model for younger guys in the thick of a rebuild. You trade away the Iginla's when your team is trending down to restock the shelves, not when your team has hit near the bottom and needs strong and capable leaders.

That, or you trade Gio and end up like Edmonton, or Florida, but do your thang.

Cool? Cool.

I think Edmonton is Edmonton because their big 4 are prima donnas. I don't necessarily think they would be any different with more role models, they wouldn't listen to them anyway. They just seem to have a rotten core that needs broken up imo. Not saying I would trade Gio, but I also think we could live without him. The work ethic is now an organizational thing and I think Burke will see to it that players that don't fall in line get moved. Edmonton is a special case where the kids are allowed to get away with crap like that, I don't see that flying here.

[PlayfulGenius]

I created a thread about a year ago on this exact topic... We actually analyzed the top 2 or 3 D on every team to see where Gio stacked up... I think the consensus was he was in the bottom half of the #2 D in the league... So somewhere in he range of 50-60 overall D in the NHL ... Perhaps now as the C he's climbed up a little bit even.

[dammage79]

Gio is leading by example. Perfect compliment to the powerhouse that is team Canada,

I wont be upset or disgrunteled if he didnt make it. But he deserves consideration at the very least.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

very long shot.

after those 7 would be Letang (Righty) and Yandle (lefty). Or if they want experience, Boyle (lefty)

Boyle is a righty

[doctajones428]

At this point, I can see Gio edging out Vlasic/M. Staal and making the team, but I don't know if he could push one of the righties out. Seabrook and Bouwmeester are locks because of Keith and Pietrangelo, Doughty is playing amazing, so can he really push Weber or Letang out a spot?

Keith - Seabrook
Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
Giordano - Doughty
Weber (Would be getting PP time still of course)

?

[FanIn80]

I'm thinking a dinner-time call from Yzerman is in his future. I wonder if Gio drives a Porsche...

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

At this point, I can see Gio edging out Vlasic/M. Staal and making the team, but I don't know if he could push one of the righties out. Seabrook and Bouwmeester are locks because of Keith and Pietrangelo, Doughty is playing amazing, so can he really push Weber or Letang out a spot?

Keith - Seabrook
Bouwmeester - Pietrangelo
Giordano - Doughty
Weber (Would be getting PP time still of course)

?

Weber is not a 7th dman. He will be playing top 4.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by strombad

When I first joined here, I thought you were a bit more moderate. Lately though you've been thanking the most ridiculous posts and making a few head scratchers of your own. You ok? Everything good?

Really? This guy is like the leader of the moon fan club, he thanks practically every post by moon no matter how ridiculous it is. Not sure how you ever saw this guy as moderate.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by strombad

When I first joined here, I thought you were a bit more moderate. Lately though you've been thanking the most ridiculous posts and making a few head scratchers of your own. You ok? Everything good?

That trade is brutal, but putting that aside, you don't trade your captain and the biggest difference maker your team has just 'because'.

Thats hilarious coming from a previously banned poster aimed at another previously banned poster.

While in theory this makes sense, given that Giordano had a pretty bad year last year and hasn't shown the consistency of being an elite d-man that other guys like Doughty show.

That said this isn't fantasy hockey where you just buy low and sell high all season long squeezing every goal and assist out of your roster. You need to find players worthy of being your core and build around them. Giordano's effort and leadership has been replicated by much of this Flames team and you have to build around that even if he's no spring chicken anymore.

[$ven27]

Keeping or dealing Gio has both pros and cons IMO. On the plus he's a solid player and great leader for the kids to learn from, However by the time we're competitive again he'll be up there in age and not nearly as valuable of an asset. Dealing Gio for an Overpayment while his value is sky high and then going out in free agency and signing a good veteran seems like smart asset management to me. However it would have to be OP of course.
I appreciate the $ven bashing, Merry Christmas guys.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? This guy is like the leader of the moon fan club, he thanks practically every post by moon no matter how ridiculous it is. Not sure how you ever saw this guy as moderate.

3 thanked posts in 5 months = the leader of the moon fanclub? Interesting.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by $ven27

I know this isn't going to be popular but I wouldn't mind seeing Gio dealt while his value is at an all time high. To Philly for Schenn and Laughton or something.

Lol.

[Enoch Root]

Second only to Karlsson in PPG, and an absolute rock defensively this year.

Undisputable leadership qualities, and does whatever it takes - hits, blocks shots, and never quits.

He is arguably playing as well right now as anyone not named Keith or Doughty.

He is fully deserving of being on the team, but with no track record with TC, very likely won't be.

[moon]

Originally Posted by $ven27

3 thanked posts in 5 months = the leader of the moon fanclub? Interesting.

When you are obssessed like Dissentower is everything is blown out of proportion and changed to fit his pathetic agenda.

Gio has had a great season so far which is good to see because the past two (or 1.5 seasons) he looked like he was really falling off and did not look close to being a top pairing guy.

I don't think he is close to being on Team Canada, but likely could come close or make any other countries defense. There are just too many guys playing at the same level think year that have a much better and longer track record of playing that well.

Gio is a nice rock to have back on defense during the rebuild while guys like Brodie still try to find the consistency in their game.

As for trading him if you think the team won't compete for 3-4 years and can get something good for him I think you could make a deal. That puts Gio at 34 and who knows how good he will be playing then. He plays a physical game and does seem to try and block a lot of shots that could put a lot of wear and tear on his body. I think you would need to get young pieces ready to contribute right now over draft picks/junior guys but if you could get a guy like a Del Zotto that you think can develop into a top pairing guy in 2-3 years and something else it could be a smart move, but I think it would have to be for a guy you really thought would be replacing Gio in 2 years and not just move him because his value is high.