Evander Kane to be traded?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I'm not sure how one measures "cosmopolitanism", but by at least one measure, Calgary is more cosmopolitan than Dallas:



SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas#Demographics



SOURCE: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-re...57/p28-eng.cfm

NOTE: That data is nearly ten years old, and a conservative estimate would likely put Calgary at closer to 27-28% foreign-born residents now.

With respect to "large metropolitan centres", I'm not sure how Vancouver qualifies. Vancouver is 23rd largest in North America, grouped with Tampa, Denver, and Minneapolis.

You're missing the point. For city life, I would place money on Kane finding Vancouver more attractive than Calgary. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's just the truth.

I'm a die-hard Flames fan and I'm from Calgary. But Vancouver, as a whole, is a more interesting city to be in for many reasons. It's also one of the most beautiful cities in the world, in Canada, and it's relatively warm.

But I digress, let's get back on topic.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Muta

You're missing the point. For city life, I would place money on Kane finding Vancouver more attractive than Calgary. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's just the truth.

I'm a die-hard Flames fan and I'm from Calgary. But Vancouver, as a whole, is a more interesting city to be in for many reasons. It's also one of the most beautiful cities in the world, in Canada, and it's relatively warm.

But I digress, let's get back on topic.

Oh, you're not bursting any bubble of mine. I've visited, and lived in, most of the largest and most exciting cities in the world. I know exactly where Calgary ranks in terms of glamour and excitement. And I don't disagree that the vast majority of people find Vancouver to be more glamorous and exciting than Calgary.

However, your argument is a straw man because that isn't what I was disagreeing with. I was disagreeing with your inclusion of Vancouver with the likes of Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Boston. It doesn't belong there.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Makarov

However, your argument is a straw man because that isn't what I was disagreeing with. I was disagreeing with your inclusion of Vancouver with the likes of Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Boston. It doesn't belong there.

In the sense of being a good place to live in general? Are we taking into account the fact that Kane is Rich? I think I'd rather be in Vancouver than any of those other cities given his wealth. Chitown or Boston have a case to be made.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

In the sense of being a good place to live in general? Are we taking into account the fact that Kane is Rich? I think I'd rather be in Vancouver than any of those other cities given his wealth. Chitown or Boston have a case to be made.

I was certainly taking into account that Kane is a ~22-year-old millionaire. I mean, if you think that you can have more fun in Vancouver as a typical 22-year-old millionaire than you can in Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, or Boston, I can only conclude that you have never been to Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, or Boston.

EDIT TO ADD: I apologize for taking the thread off topic. And its worth noting that I was born in Vancouver, love Vancouver, grew up in Calgary, but haven't lived in Calgary for over a decade. I just love arguing about cities, urban life, and human geography in general.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Makarov

However, your argument is a straw man because that isn't what I was disagreeing with. I was disagreeing with your inclusion of Vancouver with the likes of Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Boston. It doesn't belong there.

Why not? Because my perception of Vancouver is different than yours?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Muta

Why not? Because my perception of Vancouver is different than yours?

Yes. Exactly. Isn't that what we're arguing about?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Yes. Exactly. Isn't that what we're arguing about?

I suppose so.

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I was certainly taking into account that Kane is a ~22-year-old millionaire. I mean, if you think that you can have more fun in Vancouver as a typical 22-year-old millionaire than you can in Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, or Boston, I can only conclude that you have never been to Toronto, Montreal, Chicago, or Boston.

Never been to Chicago, have been to all the others, have been to Toronto many times and it absolutely blows. I have no idea who concludes that Toronto is a better place to live than Vancouver, that seems absolutely insane to me. I love Montreal, but the climate... ugh. Year round, even, not just the winters. Great place but wouldn't love living there. Boston has a lot going for it, can see that one. I mean I guess it depends on how important having the Pacific ocean, the interior, coastal islands, Whistler, etc within striking distance are to you.

Anyway this is a total de-rail so enough of that.

[J epworth]

Kane already lives in Vancouver in the summer, so of course he wouldn't mind living there year round. To say he lives there because of the party or the cosmopolitan nature of the city is a misleading statement though, he lives there because that's his home, he has a place on the edge of the city by Fraser river, it's not like he's living it up downtown. It's the same deal as Eberle in Calgary, he lives in the suburbs of Calgary in the summer cause that's where his home is, doesn't mean he's going to request a trade to Calgary anytime soon though.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Dallas is actually one of the markets that makes the most sense. Kane strikes me as the type of player who would prefer a low pressure market. Plus, it's a short hop to Vegas from Dallas.

Could you imagine having a line of Kane - Benn - Seguin?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Vancouver? To party?! Vancouver isn't even in the same conversation as Montreal with respect to nightlife (albeit neither is Calgary of course.)

My list is a better than Calgary list. I don't recall comparing Van directly to Montreal but I do remember saying both beat Calgary Imo.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Oh, you're not bursting any bubble of mine. I've visited, and lived in, most of the largest and most exciting cities in the world.

Where have you lived?

So far I see Vancouver and Calgary. Possibly Moscow.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Oh, you're not bursting any bubble of mine. I've visited, and lived in, most of the largest and most exciting cities in the world. I know exactly where Calgary ranks in terms of glamour and excitement. And I don't disagree that the vast majority of people find Vancouver to be more glamorous and exciting than Calgary.

However, your argument is a straw man because that isn't what I was disagreeing with. I was disagreeing with your inclusion of Vancouver with the likes of Chicago, Toronto, Montreal, and Boston. It doesn't belong there.

"Calgary: It's not as bad as you think"TM

[Vinny01]

Kane really seems like a player Burke would target. I get the feeling he is going to make a similar Kessel style trade for a player that is young but already established. I really don't want to trade our 1st 14/15, Gaudreau, Gillies, or Monahan

[_Q_]

If Kane is willing to play in Calgary, I would easily do Kane for 2014 1st + Sven. I would even throw in a B level prospect like Reinhart.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Psytic

My list is a better than Calgary list. I don't recall comparing Van directly to Montreal but I do remember saying both beat Calgary Imo.

Its a woefully incomplete list then. It seems strange to have only included Vancouver and Montreal out of the dozens of cities that should be on it.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Where have you lived?

So far I see Vancouver and Calgary. Possibly Moscow.

Not Moscow unfortunately. But I have lived in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Beijing, Hong Kong, and Istanbul (well, only for 6 months).

The "have visited" list is of course a lot longer.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by _Q_

If Kane is willing to play in Calgary, I would easily do Kane for 2014 1st + Sven. I would even throw in a B level prospect like Reinhart.

Yikes! That first should be untouchable.

[Vinny01]

Burke has referenced having a high pick next year and getting that pick right. I don't think he is looking to move it. Sven would not surprise me at all though

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by _Q_

If Kane is willing to play in Calgary, I would easily do Kane for 2014 1st + Sven. I would even throw in a B level prospect like Reinhart.

Never. And even never is too soon.