Denver Post Article on Scott Parker (and his thoughts on Bob Hartley)

[lifetimefan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think this team needs to move in a "fresh new" direction with it's coach. I'd love to see a younger coach who's learned the new game and has new ideas, not someone who is living in the past.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think this claim needs to be address by the Flames. This is freaking scary if true, that our rebuild hinges on this old school mentality.

Isn't Hartley a player's coach? WTF?

I'm not questioning what Parker is saying - it may be true. Beats me. But the Flames are not and should not address this in any way. There's no reason to and doing so would make them look amateurish.

[Poe969]

I don't think the Flames need to address the issues from this article but I think they need to address how this team is being coached right now. Hartley has made bad decision after bad decision; the way he's handled Sven, the goalie choices, dressing Jackman over guys who should be playing, playing McGrattan every game and so on.

I agree that the team shouldn't address articles from the past but take a look at how things are right now and if things aren't going well do something. Hartley needs to go.

[dustygoon]

I am all for being tough, riding guys that make mistakes, etc.....just as long as there is the "love" part of "tough love" occurring also. We all know that motivational feeling of getting ripped for something, making up for it, and getting praise afterwards.

Who knows really how he is handling the praise part of it.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

While I don't doubt that this can happen once in a while, I would guess that there is not a single undeniable impact NHL player who's career was ruined by a coach saying 'you're a fighter now'.

Obviously there's no way of knowing what would have become of the guys that are pushed into fighter roles. It's not like a coach is going to tell that to an already esbalished player.

(Also, there's meaningful hockey to be played outside the tier of "impact NHL players", which is a tall order. I'm sure a lot of guys would have been perfectly happy to catch a couple of seasons with a few dozen games as a depth guy, instead of being fighters, if they had gotten the options.

Btw, considering how long McGrattan went without fighting to start the season, and that he is obviously expected and allowed to play hockey out there just like everyone else, I think there's a good chance that his attitude towards fighting has changed somewhat.

But it's again a pretty ugly picture of NHL fighting and the "respect" these guys are getting in reality. Respect as long as you never take a break or admit you're hurt is not what I would call genuine respect.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Has to go? How do any of you guys know what Hartley is asking for and how people are responding to that?

Sigh.

[CaptainCrunch]

I can't believe people are screaming to have Hartley fired because of something that Scott Parker said.

The guy wasn't the sheriff, that would be a respectable term. The guy was a massive cheapshot artist who hit more people from behind then a Japanese Subway pusher and then comes out and whined that he was forced to fight.

You look at every NHL coach and I'm pretty sure that they told their fighters that they had to fight.

Scott Parker is just whining because the class action lawsuit got filed and it allowed him to become relevant again.

The guy put more players in danger then he fought cleanly, I normally have a lot of sympathy for guys with concussion issues but Scott Parker probably earned a majority of them by cheapshotting players and then taking punches because of his actions.

The guy was a punk during his playing career.

[Poe969]

the results... Playing Backlund on the 4th line. Playing Jackman on the first line. Playing McGrattan every game. Unless he's asking Berra to jump around and cost us games then I'm not sure he's getting what he's asking for. He's just made too many bad decisions as a coach.

[ricardodw]

What the heck is Stempniak doing playing (poorly) with his broken foot?

I assumed that Hartley was the President of the Stempniak fan club. Maybe Hartley is using him to show the young guys that they be ready to play hurt. If an 8 year veteran millionaire can be made to play hurt why shouldn't Monahan suck it up and play hurt. I wonder how many games Monahan played to proof he was tough and who finally decided enough was enough.

Last year Blair Jones was a precious resource that the Flames really lacked. Hartley flexed his authority to show he controlled the room.

David Jones started off stronger and has faded. His only punishment is not playing the PP (behind Stempniak) but he is making his $4M for the next 3 years and Hartley will be long gone from coaching in the NHL by then.

Glencross obviously understands that he is untouchable on the Flames and was not busting a gut for Hartley. How can Hartley punish Glencross? --- Ben Street is your Centre.

[kyuss275]

Meh not much to see or read. I am sure Hartely has changed his ways since then, just like Keenan, Hitchkock, Sutter, ect have over the years.

There are other reasons that Hartley should not be coach of this team going forward, this article is not one of them.

[Wolfman]

If this was from Joe Sakic I would listen to it. But it's Scott Parker, the biggest plug to ever play in the NHL. You people are naive if you believe this.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by troutman

Hartley helped Tanguay
http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/05/31...helped-tanguay

“At the time, he was hard on me and now I’m later in my career, I understand what he was trying to do,” Tanguay said about his new head coach with the Calgary Flames.

“I’m appreciative. He gave me that chance out of junior. To be an NHL player, there is a lot of work that needs to be put in. He’s put many hours in to help me be an NHL player.”

So years after they parted, Tanguay would be struggling and he picked up the phone and asked Hartley for advice.

Empathy for a fellow Quebecois. see Begin as well

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think Dallas Eakins is just very simply a good coach, regardless of stage. If given time (and it sounds like he will be), he'll be a big part of the Oilers turning it around.

Hartley will hopefully be here for a short amount of time, and so long as Wilson isn't his replacement - I'll be happy when he's gone.

(I actually think Brent Sutter would be a good coach to have for a team just starting a rebuild...He was completely lost with veterans, but he has shown an ability to work well with younger players)

Eakins is garbage. The guy can't line match to save his life, he can't implement a system to save his life. He won a championship in the AHL because he had a extremely veteran team that knew how to play the game.

Eakins might be efficient in that scenario in the NHL, but lets stop blowing sunshine up his butt. He's a pretty boy coach, but he's a disaster as a coach at an NHL level.

[Zarley]

Poor Scott Parker - Hartley must have really hurt his feelings. I feel sorry for the guy.

[Stanley]

two words:

Scott
Parker

nuff said...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think they need to address how this team is being coached right now. Hartley has made bad decision after bad decision; the way he's handled Sven, the goalie choices, dressing Jackman over guys who should be playing, playing McGrattan every game and so on.

That is your opinion. It is not a fact. None of us know what is happening in practice, in video sessions, in meetings between the coaches and management. To over-analyze coaching decisions one month into a rebuilding season lacks perspective IMO. Hartley is not working in a vacuum.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Poe969

the results... Playing Backlund on the 4th line. Playing Jackman on the first line. Playing McGrattan every game. Unless he's asking Berra to jump around and cost us games then I'm not sure he's getting what he's asking for. He's just made too many bad decisions as a coach.

Uh huh. Imagine if he tried 5 D on the PP. Or Stajan on the 4th line. Yawn

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This article just reaffirms what most of us already know.

It's almost as if you plagiarized the dictionary definition of "confirmation bias" to write your post.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'm not sure you really "get" Burke

His anti-hazing stance shows he's anything but bully.

No, but his choice of coaches suggests he's definitely of the old-school mindset about the relationship between players and coaches. Ron Wilson isn't exactly known for a warm and fuzzy temperament.

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Listen to stories of rants by Darryl Sutter. He wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. Bowman wouldn't even talk to his players at times. Let his assistant coaches take care of that.

So Hartley may threaten people who don't want to put in work with demotion or benching? Big deal.

Yep. Anyone who thinks that kind of attitude isn't the norm for about two-thirds of the coaches in the league is out to lunch. Maybe it's an approach that is old-fashioned, and we should look to hire a more teaching style, players' coach. I don't have a problem with that. But let's not blow this up into some kind of scandalous behavior on Hartley's part.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't think the Flames need to address the issues from this article but I think they need to address how this team is being coached right now. Hartley has made bad decision after bad decision; the way he's handled Sven, the goalie choices, dressing Jackman over guys who should be playing, playing McGrattan every game and so on.

I agree that the team shouldn't address articles from the past but take a look at how things are right now and if things aren't going well do something. Hartley needs to go.

lol

I really hope you have a lot more reasons than that... you think A coach needs to go because he's trying to get a young player from underachieving, having zero NHL goalie depth, and who he chooses to play on the 4th line getting very little minutes

I'm all for a good witch hut now again but you really need something more then this, this is just nothing. There's is a lot more positives with the team coming together and compete level then what you have mentioned here.

By no means am I a Hartley supporter. I hate the guy but I can't call for his head because I'm not a fan. I wished the whole Sven thing works out for the best but I honestly fear that the fans will cause more problems for Sven then Hartley ever will... thankfully the kid seems to have a good head on his shoulders