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Old 10-30-2013, 12:34 PM   #41
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Can we also make it law that a girl HAS to say yes to any man? Girls rejecting me hurts my feelings and lowers my self esteem.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:43 PM   #42
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http://www.joebower.org/2013/10/abol...onour.html?m=1

This article was posted earlier in the thread. I reposted because it shouldn't be missed.

The article and the links included dispell all the dumb knee-jerk reactions and myths put forward by the "we're turning kids into wimps, back in my day blah blah blah" crowd.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:44 PM   #43
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One thing I noticed about kids that were in the top of the class, they usually had parents that took an interest in their homework and projects outside of class.

think a lot of parents these days feel guilty about not being able to spend more time with their kids and a quick band-aid solution to make them feel better is to have schools do things to avoid having their kid do poorly. That way parents don't have to deal with the emotional distress it causes.

Too many parents treat schools like they are babysitters instead of places to educate children. Teachers aren't their to "mother" the children, but that does seem like the expectation these days.
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Old 10-30-2013, 12:48 PM   #44
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If it gets rid of those stupid "My kid is an honour student at Fletcher Elementary" I would be fine with it

Note to sell blow up Fletcher elementary school

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Old 10-30-2013, 01:01 PM   #45
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A grade 11 student's open letter on education

http://blogs.rockyview.ab.ca/blog/20...-to-education/

Some interesting comments on evaluation ( and evaluation is what the honor roll is all about)
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:07 PM   #46
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Old 10-30-2013, 01:17 PM   #47
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Kids at some point, have to learn how to deal with rejection and disappointment. It's better to learn those lessons young, in the formative years. Certainly we don't have to go out of our way to make kids feel bad, but we have to realize that at some points, they will feel bad, and they will learn form those experiences.

Having no honour roll only makes students settle for mediocrity.

I was on the honour roll for the most part. However, I'm not sure if I ever averaged even doing an hour of homework a night. Had I done the required homework, my marks would have been higher, sure, but would I have learned more? Probably not.
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Can we also make it law that a girl HAS to say yes to any man? Girls rejecting me hurts my feelings and lowers my self esteem.
No, it lowers the self-esteem of any woman who has to admit, "Yah, I slept with MattyC", so it evens out.
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Stuff like this always reminds me of this quote (can't remember where I first heard it).

Parents today are too busy trying to remove the mountain in front of their child rather than teaching them how to climb it.
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Competition and various incentives are a natural part of the work and social environment once the kids leave school. I think to eliminate these things in school, like the honour roll for example in the higher grades, only serves to make the kids less prepared for the real world.

I believe an excellent teacher will instinctively know what incentives motivate the various children in his or her class in order to achieve maximum results.
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Old 10-30-2013, 03:17 PM   #51
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Pfft. Honour roll. Big deal. As an Asian kid, the goal was perfection.

"98%??? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 2%?!?"
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A grade 11 student's open letter on education

http://blogs.rockyview.ab.ca/blog/20...-to-education/

Some interesting comments on evaluation ( and evaluation is what the honor roll is all about)
A lot of the changes she's asking for in that letter have already been made or are being practiced on a wide scale. I know some teachers don't embrace new styles of learning very readily but some of the things she's saying just don't make sense to me.

1. Learning should be more flexible, no more worksheets - I don't know when the last time was that I saw a worksheet - learning today is based around overarching challenging questions, getting students to think about real-world issues and tie curriculum concepts to their lives. I've spent a significant amount of time in a lot of various styles of classrooms over the past year and haven't seen many worksheets except maybe the occasional math problem.

2. Should the curriculum be about how much information we can fill our heads with? No, with all due respect - has this girl read the curriculum? The curriculum is about concepts, skills, attitudes, ways of thinking, not really about information.

Do you have to know the periodic table by heart? No, can you show me in the curriculum where it says you do?

3. Won't need calculus and no idea why you learn Shakespeare? Calculus is an option - a lot of people do want to take it. I enjoyed it quite a bit, and so did a lot of my classmates. It develops problem-solving ability and involves abstract thinking which is valued by a lot of employers in a variety of different fields.

Shakespeare was a revolutionary playwright who contributed significantly to Western thought, and yes looking at a Shakespearean play in English 20-1 and 30-1 is a requirement as of now but that's about to change with the new curriculum. Shakespeare is widely used because a lot of his work has been adapted into modern feature films and also features poetry which are also parts of the English curriculum (for now), so it allows teachers to 'kill two birds with one stone' so to speak. If you read the curriculum though you would recognize that it's not really about Shakespeare, it's about what his plays say about life, society, love, etc.,

Physical Education is definitely moving away from "play dodgeball for an hour" to more of an actual education about the body. Seriously, read the phys ed program of study, very little of it has to do with actually playing games. It mostly has to do with active and healthy living, nutrition and physical activity - things that are certainly valuable to you as a human being.

5. more tied to experiences - This is definitely the way the curriculum has gone recently and will continue to go in the future, again read the curriculum, this is ALL it is about, getting students to engage in a meaningful way and challenge them to think about concepts in relation to their own lives. Some teachers are able to capture this more effectively than others, obviously. But I agree with her that learning has to be linked to the life of the student or it is meaningless.

6/7. assessment needs to change - I agree, and it is changing. High-stakes testing is on the way out, ongoing formative assessment is on the way in. I have a lot of opinions on testing but one thing I know for sure is having a student write a test and then giving them a percentage grade a few weeks later is not valuable. An ongoing large project with frequent feedback and opportunities for the student to improve their work and get something valuable out of it is likely what we will see once diploma exams have gone away.

8/9. Regarding the curriculum being complex, I don't know what's complex about it. It's pretty simple, really. Just try reading it.

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Old 10-30-2013, 03:28 PM   #54
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The article icecube posted above (and apparently earlier in the thread) is interesting. It makes a decent counter-argument to what the majority are saying here. Perhaps the goal isn't to eliminate failure or bad feelings, but to rather find better means of motivation. There's a common theme in most of the comments in this thread by those who didn't make the honour role: they don't care. That was actually the point being made when this decision was explained... that kids who make the honour role don't find it motivating and those who miss the cut don't find it to be a punishment.

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The problem is not that too few students achieve As -- rather, the real problem is that too many students have come to see collecting As as the purpose of school. Things go very wrong when testsandgrades, awards ceremonies and honour rolls become the primary goal of education.
We often use scientific data to back up our beliefs, but this one seems different. Many arguments on this topic are tossed out in a very unscientific, emotional manner. "I grew up this way, it was the best", "all kids are lazy", and "the next generation is doomed" are all statements that get passed around from generation to generation. Often times these statements aren't based in a whole lot of fact.

While I feel it's important to fail early and often, it's also important to ask the right questions when things like this pop up (is the goal here to eliminate failure, for example).
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I think CP should do away with Experience Points

- Draft Pick
- Crash & Bang Winger
- Powerplay Quarterback
- Scoring Winger
- 1st Line Center
- Franchise Player

These titles aren't fair.

Everyone should be given the title of "Franchise Player" as soon as they sign up, otherwise it hurts their self esteem.

amirite?
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Old 10-30-2013, 04:55 PM   #56
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I actually might have tried harder in jr high if doing so wouldn't have meant my mother was going to get her hands on those stupid proud parent of an honour roll student and slap it on her caravan.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:39 PM   #57
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I was a slacker that maybe spent 4-8 hours on homework combined from grades 1 -12. Lived with one parent that worked every evening and didn't read my report cards or care what I did as long as he wasn't getting calls from the principal's office. I still turned out fine but at the same time I would have felt bad for the students I went to school with that tried hard and put in the hard work would get recognized equally with a slacker like I was. I simply don't think students like I was should get rewarded for anything as for the whole self-esteem thing it sure didn't affect me.
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Speaking of setting the bar low. Do they still have $1500 for the Alexander Rutherford "scholarship"?
When did that scholarship change? I won that scholarship and it paid for my entire post secondary education!
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Haha I even had it sitting with some books after cleaning my office a bit recently! Scanned for proofs.

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When did that scholarship change? I won that scholarship and it paid for my entire post secondary education!
It was around 2008. I was one of the last years to not get that option bonus.

Also, I wish I had your post secondary. The 2500 didn't even pay for a term for me
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