Should the Flames go out and trade for a defenceman?

[blender]

Originally Posted by erick estrada

the going rate on quality young nhl defensemen or proven shutdown defensemen is very, very steep and any team that would be interested in trading one is going to be looking for prospects like poirier, gaudreau, etc as you guys are living in a dream world if you think glencross, cammalleri, or stempniak are going to net us that kind of defenseman. Those players will net you draft picks and maybe a young prospect. You have to give up a lot to get a good defenseman and right now that's counter productive to rebuilding.

Flames have to run with the hand they were dealt with. the team isn't going to make the playoffs anyway so i don't understand why we are having threads like this. i am posting in this thread

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[Caged Great]

The only way I would trade for a D-man is if we decide to move a veteran forward for one. The problem with that you would create a hole in one area to patch a hole in another area.

I wouldn't worry about it. Just keep track of the under performing players and make moves to improve them when you can (whether it's in the offseason or next week)

[Flamenspiel]

No, the Flames made the strategic decision to trade Jaybo last year as part of the rebuild. The idea of changing course and trading for someone like him would be absurd and the kind of knee-jerk reaction that the previous regime was known for.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Great thread which is bound to produce a wide variety of opinion.
The Flames should always look to improve, and it seems pretty apparent (9 games in or 0 games in) that the D is lacking a physical, shut down guy. No need to break the bank, but if there is an opportunity to get a relatively young guy which fits our rebuild mode, you have to try. I hope I am wrong, but I just don't see Seiloff, Wotherspoon or Ramage making an impact this year, and possibly next year.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Just because you're rebuilding doesn't mean you can't try to get better by acquiring better players.

Agreed. But giving up assets for a 32-year-old Paul Martin is not the way to do it.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The going rate on quality young NHL defensemen or proven shutdown defensemen is very, very steep and any team that would be interested in trading one is going to be looking for prospects like Poirier, Gaudreau, etc as you guys are living in a dream world if you think Glencross, Cammalleri, or Stempniak are going to net us that kind of defenseman. Those players will net you draft picks and maybe a young prospect. You have to give up a lot to get a good defenseman and right now that's counter productive to rebuilding.

Flames have to run with the hand they were dealt with. The team isn't going to make the playoffs anyway so I don't understand why we are having threads like this.

So we can't try to get better if we aren't making the playoffs? Thank god you're not the GM. You'd be the Kevin Lowe of the NHL. "Stay the course, next year is our year"!

[Bertuzzied]

Just 4 words...
Stay away from Myers!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Just 4 words...
Stay away from Myers!

I still think Myers is going to bounce back. The talent is definitely there and he is massive so he could still turn into a very useful player. I feel like a new team would be perfect for him. If they could pick him up without giving up too much I would be for it.

[JobHopper]

Tonight is only game 10 in a long season. It's pretty obvious to me that the Flames need another D-man that can play a regular 15-18 minutes a night.
You can't play Wideman and Giordano upwards of 30 minutes a night. Gio is already hurt and Wideman looked tired after all those minutes especially when they're playing back to back games. You can't give up goals because a player is fatigued.

Chris Butler with above 18 minutes last game but can he keep up that pace? I don't think he's that bad that he couldn't play a consistent 10 plus minutes a game.

Brodie is fine and his minutes will only increase, same with Russell. Flames need to keep one spot open for guys like Breen to give them ice time and games to see how they do. So the guy out now would be O'brien.

I believe that Curtis Glencross and Mikael Backlund can be replaced by players we have in Abbotsford. So those 2 guys would be my choices to trade and see if you can't get a Dman or even a better forward. They're good enough players to ge ta decent return from. Bouma pretty much replaces Backlund and he's already up here.

[Rerun]

No

[codynw]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

Tonight is only game 10 in a long season. It's pretty obvious to me that the Flames need another D-man that can play a regular 15-18 minutes a night.
You can't play Wideman and Giordano upwards of 30 minutes a night. Gio is already hurt and Wideman looked tired after all those minutes especially when they're playing back to back games. You can't give up goals because a player is fatigued.

Chris Butler with above 18 minutes last game but can he keep up that pace? I don't think he's that bad that he couldn't play a consistent 10 plus minutes a game.

Brodie is fine and his minutes will only increase, same with Russell. Flames need to keep one spot open for guys like Breen to give them ice time and games to see how they do. So the guy out now would be O'brien.

I believe that Curtis Glencross and Mikael Backlund can be replaced by players we have in Abbotsford. So those 2 guys would be my choices to trade and see if you can't get a Dman or even a better forward. They're good enough players to ge ta decent return from. Bouma pretty much replaces Backlund and he's already up here.

I've been seeing a lot of people suggesting a Backlund trade and it's absolutely mind boggling. Backlund has been one of the best two way forwards on the team this year. Trading him would be very stupid.

[Poe969]

I agree that Backlund has been good, or at least better, but would you trade him for Myers?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I agree that Backlund has been good, or at least better, but would you trade him for Myers?

I probably wouldn't. Myer's isn't nearly good enough to make up for the build up the middle scenario.

Plus the Sabre's if they were going to trade Myers would be looking for a home run acquisition, any package would have to include a high first round pick.

[JobHopper]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I agree that Backlund has been good, or at least better, but would you trade him for Myers?

If you're asking me, probably not, not for the guys I would give up. I'm thinking more along the lines of Niklas Kronwall, Mike Green or even Brent Seabrook.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

I believe that Curtis Glencross and Mikael Backlund can be replaced by players we have in Abbotsford.

Yes, they can. I guess the team would be a lot of worse off (especially trying to replace Backlund), and it doesn't really make any sense, but you could trade those two and put a warm body in as their replacement.

Bouma pretty much replaces Backlund and he's already up here.

Backlund is a top 6 center. Bouma is a bottom 6 winger. How exactly does he replace him?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JobHopper

Tonight is only game 10 in a long season. It's pretty obvious to me that the Flames need another D-man that can play a regular 15-18 minutes a night.
You can't play Wideman and Giordano upwards of 30 minutes a night. Gio is already hurt and Wideman looked tired after all those minutes especially when they're playing back to back games. You can't give up goals because a player is fatigued.

Chris Butler with above 18 minutes last game but can he keep up that pace? I don't think he's that bad that he couldn't play a consistent 10 plus minutes a game.

Brodie is fine and his minutes will only increase, same with Russell. Flames need to keep one spot open for guys like Breen to give them ice time and games to see how they do. So the guy out now would be O'brien.

I believe that Curtis Glencross and Mikael Backlund can be replaced by players we have in Abbotsford. So those 2 guys would be my choices to trade and see if you can't get a Dman or even a better forward. They're good enough players to ge ta decent return from. Bouma pretty much replaces Backlund and he's already up here.

Bouma =/= Backlund. Not even close.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I agree that Backlund has been good, or at least better, but would you trade him for Myers?

I don't think so. Trading a player like Backlund (hard working, young, talanted..) 10 games into a rebuilding season should never happen unless they get a massive overpayment. Myers is a big risk at this point and Backlund is steadily improving.

[EYE_Overstand]

What teams in the league have an abundance of young promising Dman? Buffalo... Nashville....Winnipeg .... ? I'm just guessing here

[Vinny01]

I disagree that this team should be going after a shutdown type of D. I think we need a young puck moving defender like Del Zotto or Gardiner. Looking at the prospect depth we have some decent guys on the back end in Wortherspoon, Sieloff, Breen, Ramage, Kanzig. Outside of Brodie we do lack puck moving prospects. Gio, and Wideman fill that roll today but both players are 30.

The rumor is Del Zotto is trade bait and I would love the flames to go after him

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You can never say no, but it had better be with a 3 year outlook. You don't sacrifice anything for right now. Playoffs are a bonus this year, not a goal

If playoffs aren't always the goal, there is no point in icing a team. Rebuilding or not, the goal should always be the same.