2014 Draft Picks

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

GM's will rarely pay a 1st round pick for a 2 month rental.

as said,

You must be new to the Trade Deadline.

[The Fonz]

I actually have Cheerios for brains.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He'll likely be the best goalscorer available on the market and he has a good history in the playoffs with Montreal.

I think this will be the key to someone paying big for two months of Cammalleri. In the 2010 playoffs, Cammalleri was the overall leading goal scorer, despite his team only playing 3 rounds, and being the 8th seed going into the playoffs. He followed that up with 10 points in the Habs' 7 game first round series against the Bruins in 2011 (where they pushed the eventual champions to OT in game 7).

There will likely be at least a couple of teams who think they're on the brink who will be bidding hard for his services come the end of February.

[albertGQ]

I wonder if rerun will come back in this thread after being owned. LOL

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by Rerun

GM's will rarely pay a 1st round pick for a 2 month rental.

What do you think they'll get in return? I'm not interested in what you think they can't get for cammy.

Some guys say 20-30 pick
You said second rounder so 30-60

Could be that you guys are arguing over this but in actuality are only off by like 5 spots, high second rounder// low first rounder type of deal...

[MissAvery16]

Mmm fruit loops

[Rerun]

First chance I've had to get back on this...

Originally Posted by The Fonz

2012
- Oduya for a 2nd + 3rd - don't count as these are not 1st round draft pics
- Gaustad/4th for a 1st
- A. Kostitsyn for a 2nd + 5th - don't count as these are not 1st round draft pics

2011
- Penner for Teubert, 1st + 3rd - doesn't count as Penner was not a UFA in 2011
- Kaberle for Colborne, 1st + conditional 2nd

2010
- Torres for a 2nd - don't count
- Belanger for a 2nd - don't count
- Sutton for a 2nd - don't count
- Grebeshkov for a 2nd - don't count
- Wallin for a 2nd - don't count
- D. Moore for a 2nd - don't count
2009
- D.Moore for a 2nd - doesn't count
- Antropov for a 2nd + conditional - doesn't count
- Comrie/Campoli for McAmmond + 1st

2008
- Campbell for Bernier + 1st

How many trades were made at the deadline in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2010, and 2012? A lot.

So... going back 5 years all you could come up with is 4 trades for 1st round pics where the traded player is a UFA.



As I said previously, GM's rarely trade a future 1st round draft pick for a UFA.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

On February 28, 2011, Penner was traded from the Edmonton Oilers to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Colten Teubert, a first round draft pick in 2011 (Oscar Klefbom), as well as a conditional third round pick in 2012 (Daniil Zharkov).

After 12 seasons in blue and white, the Maple Leafs have traded veteran defenceman Thomas Kaberle to the Boston Bruins in exchange for prospect centre Joe Colborne, the Bruins' first-round pick in 2011 and a conditional second-round draft pick in 2012.

Not a 1st rounder but pretty damn close;
Filip Forsberg traded for Martin Erat and Michael Latta last year

And these are just the last 2 years

Penner wasn't a UFA the year (2011) he was traded for a first round pic. He became a UFA in July 2012... so your example doesn't count.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You missed Jagr and Pominville who also returned 1sts.

And yet history also supports our argument when players like Kyle Quincey, Paul Gaustad, Brendan Witt, Dustin Penner, Olli Jokinen, Brian Campbell, Bill Guerin, Ryan Smyth, Mathieu Schneider, Tomas Kaberle, etc all were traded for 1st rounders. Cammalleri provided he has a bounceback year should be worth as much as many of those players. A broken down Morrow returned a former 1st last year. Tons of example from history to support this, you just cherry picked one year.

In fact Mike Cammalleri has already been traded for a 1st round pick in his career. Sure he had a full year left on his deal but players value sometimes does not diminish as a pending UFA and sometimes can be even higher. BUF got more for Regehr as a pending UFA then we did with term left on Regehr's contract.

But yes, we might be smoking some awesome weed too. Doesn't diminish our argument. If Cammalleri gets back to his 30-40 goal form then he should easily be worth a 1st at the deadline. He'll likely be the best goalscorer available on the market and he has a good history in the playoffs with Montreal. I don't think there's much rose-colored or homerish analysis there, I think NHL history supports Cammalleri being worth that much when he's on his game.

Most of those players that you have listed may have been traded for 1st round future draft pics but most of those players were not Unrestricted Free Agents with only a couple of months left on their contract.

Big difference between trading a 1st round pic for a player that has 1 or more years left on his contract and one that has 2 months.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Most of those players that you have listed may have been traded for 1st round future draft pics but most of those players were not Unrestricted Free Agents with only a couple of months left on their contract.

Big difference between trading a 1st round pic for a player that has 1 or more years left on his contract and one that has 2 months.

You don't get it. Because of the salary cap pending UFAs are often valued more than players with a contract as a top team, close to the cap can't afford the player on an ongoing basis. A perfect example was Pittsburgh last season.

[FlameZilla]

If a team is heading into the playoffs with a late 1st rounder in a weak draft year it makes a lot of sense to trade their 1st to fill a glaring need using a 2-month rental player.

Obviously regarding Cammalleri it's a perfect storm scenario, whereby a team picking 15-30 would need a pure goal-scorer for their playoff run. It is not outside the realms of possibility that Cammy commands a 1st round draft pick as a return.

Now let's play nice & let it go, ok?

[Jake]

Last offseason I said multiple times I'm happy the Flames did not sign any UFAs... looking at next years UFA list only re-enforces that belief. I expect many will be extended by their current teams, but several should still be available.

Because of that, I'd be fine with clearing house on our current UFAs at the deadline if the Flames are well out of the playoff picture. I'd try to resign Stempniak. Guys like Cammalleri, and Stajan should be good for at least 2nd round picks, while Butler/Jackman may be able to land lower picks. Russell may be worth resigning as next years UFA defensemen are not as good as the forwards available.

Then in the off season, go after a C (Stastny) and couple of wingers (Downie, Kulemin) and I think the Flames will have a great new look.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You don't get it. Because of the salary cap pending UFAs are often valued more than players with a contract as a top team, close to the cap can't afford the player on an ongoing basis. A perfect example was Pittsburgh last season.

Well, if you say its so, it must be true then. Looks like Vulcan figures that a lot of teams will be trading 2014 1st round draft choices for UFAs this year.
Can hardly wait to see this happen.... Cammy and company all going for 1st rounders.... wow.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

If a team is heading into the playoffs with a late 1st rounder in a weak draft year it makes a lot of sense to trade their 1st to fill a glaring need using a 2-month rental player.

Obviously regarding Cammalleri it's a perfect storm scenario, whereby a team picking 15-30 would need a pure goal-scorer for their playoff run. It is not outside the realms of possibility that Cammy commands a 1st round draft pick as a return.

Now let's play nice & let it go, ok?

I think you nailed it right there. Not likely to happen but sometimes amazing things happen and they do. Not going to bet my paycheck on it though.

[The Fonz]

Question for the guys following junior hockey:

Who would you rather have, Ekblad or Nurse?

[strombad]

Watched the QMJHL/Russia game the other day, and two players really impressed me, one from each side:

Daniel Audette - Sherbrooke - C/LW - 5'8/177
(Button ranked 69, 25GP, 30P -6)
Played quite tough for his size, really great hands and eye for the puck.

Vladmir Tkachyov - Omsk - LW - 5'9/156
(Button ranked 51, 12GP, 13P +23)
Some pretty impressive speed and a lot of jam, seemed to cause a lot of trouble for the other players with his creativity.

While the Flames seem to have a glut of small forwards at the moment, I'd be happy taking a flyer on either of them with a pick somewhere between a late second and a mid 4th, depending on how they progress over the rest of the season.