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Ashasx · 10-13-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TKB

Still might be a playoff off team if they didn't have that big idiot in net.

If the Oilers keep giving up as many odd man rushes as they do, it doesn't matter who's in net for them. They shouldn't need a Hasek to make the playoffs.

TKB · 10-13-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

If the Oilers keep giving up as many odd man rushes as they do, it doesn't matter who's in net for them. They shouldn't need a Hasek to make the playoffs.

Odd man rushes happen, if any legit number 1 goalie is in net for the oilers they would have 2 more wins this year. Last night they easily beat the leafs with competent goaltending. First game of the year they easily beat the Jets with competent goaltending.

albertGQ · 10-13-2013, 09:49 AM

Mactavish says he's impatient.
I bet the Oilers make a trade for a goalie within the next 7-10 days.
Or maybe even back up the trick for the Breeze.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-13-2013, 10:06 AM

Remember all those years when Kipper was in his prime, and the a Flames were consistently a playoff team, and Oiler fans would come out of the woodwork to tell us about how the team was simply riding the Kipper wave, implying that we didn't really have a good team, that somehow the goalie didn't count as an actual part of the team when evaluating its quality. I think its hilarious now that these same fans feel that they have a good team but just need a good goalie to round it out.

Also, DD wasn't even that bad last night. He screwed up the wrap around, but that's it. I know folks will say Kadri's was also his fault, but if his play wasn't already under a microscope the only thing anyone would be talking about on that one w as the perfect shot that went in.

WilderPegasus · 10-13-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I look at it differently..

FINALLY Edmonton is holding players accountable, instead of just throwing them up on the top lines and spoon-feeding them.

I don't think they're holding him accountable. I think they're scapegoating him and he'll be shipped out of town for a collection of spare parts. Oiler fans will then praise the trade because Yakupov wasn't working out since he was a healthy scratch.

Scoreface · 10-13-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by krazycanuck

With any draft you have to take the best player available. At the time Yakupov was the consensus number 1. The problem was he's a redundant player on the Oilers. If they had any sense they should have traded away that pick for someone to address their real needs. Now they're stuck with a few good young forwards and no prospects who can play great defense or stop a puck.

Too many hot dogs, not enough buns.

Haha! Or too many wieners and not enough mustard!

Brannigans Law · 10-13-2013, 10:25 AM

Dubby had an amazing save % last year and they still didn't come close to playoffs. This year he will be thrown under the bus if this keeps up, which is good, if it prevents the correct changes from being made.

Flames Draft Watcher · 10-13-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by krazycanuck

Any player who is ranked #1 by central scouting and international scouting seems like a consensus to me. TSN had him ranked as #1, as did the hockey writers and personally knowing a couple people inside NHL circles I'd venture to guess 20 NHL teams had him there too. He was no Crosby lock, but the top prospect in that draft at the time was Yakupov.

If there was ever an argument being made in Edmonton between drafting Yakupov and Ryan Murray it wasn't based on who was the best player, most agreed that was Yakupov. The arguement was for who filled the biggest need for the Oilers. Based on the general lack of success in drafting elite d-men with high picks, I can't blame the Oilers for not going the Murray route. However, they did not need a one-way right winger when they already have Eberle and (still) Hemsky. So, why didn't they trade the pick away?

Yakupov could still be a great player, but he'll never get the chance in Edmonton and his trade value today is far below what it would have been if the Oilers just made the trade on draft day. Having the kid in the pressbox doesn't help his value either. Haha...stupid Oilers.

Seems kind of silly to base "consensus" on just TSN and ISS. Neither of those even has a pick in the draft. And then you ignore teams that did have picks in the draft.

Over 50% of teams may have had Yakupov #1. But it certainly wasn't a unanimous #1.

Puppet Guy · 10-13-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

Mactavish says he's impatient.
I bet the Oilers make a trade for a goalie within the next 7-10 days.
Or maybe even back up the trick for the Breeze.

more likely that they fire Eakins and then hire another ex-Oiler from the glory days to go behind the bench. Gotta respect the "tradition", after all.

GreenLantern · 10-13-2013, 11:37 AM

Just sending a message, he will be back. Kid put up great points last year and clearly is talented enough to play in the NHL.

But fun to revel in their misery for now.

Pontine · 10-13-2013, 12:42 PM

I'm sure Yakupov will be fine, he's still young and is a very talented player.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-13-2013, 12:50 PM

As much as it pains me to admit it, Yakupov is a player the Flames could use. Highly talented RW who the puck follows around. He was a bad pick by the Oilers, but he's still a good player with a big future. That probably isn't in Edmonton, but that's to his benefit too.

Super Nintendo Chalmers · 10-13-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by albertGQ

Mactavish says he's impatient.
I bet the Oilers make a trade for a goalie within the next 7-10 days.
Or maybe even back up the trick for the Breeze.

Some Oilers fans over at HF were proposing Yakupov for Eddie Lack straight up. It would be hilarious if MacT was that impatient.

Flash Walken · 10-13-2013, 01:23 PM

Sort of like firing the coach, it's easy to blame the goaltender. Much more difficult to quantify and judge (as we see on most fan message boards) is the contribution of the team game to the goalie's stat sheet.

Sometimes, it really is the goalie pooing his pants. Most of the time at this level, though, it's a reflection of the team.

the quality of chances the oilers gave up in the game against the leafs were so critically awful, so lacking in defense and intensity, that most of the goalies in the league would have been hard pressed to make a positive impact on the final score. On a 3-2, if BOTH defenders take the puck carrier on the left wing, the goalie is going to have a bad time, whether it's Ken Dryden or Rick Tabaracci. You simply can't abandon the front of the net to chase the puck carrier. This isn't EASHL or Atom, this is the NHL.

While Weekes critiqued the goaltending of Dubnyk, there was precious little analysis on the downright horrible team defense of the oilers, except by the only skater on the panel, Stock. Of course Dubnyk is going to cheat on that play, the same way Luongo used to cheat off the shortside post when he couldn't rely on his defensemen to take the backdoor option away. As a casual fan, you can say, "that big goalie should've had that," but then you'd be ignoring the at-will passing the leafs had through the Oiler's defensive box, and the high quality of the shot from Kadri.

I feel like i'm taking crazy pills sometimes trying to explain this, but the Oilers are all-world levels of awful in their dedication or even understanding of a defensive mindset. Their defense leaves a lot to be desired, but so does Calgary's. The difference is a TEAM commitment to 3 zone hockey. The Taylor Hall show meanwhile is dedicated to selfish personal stats and gratification.

That team isn't going anywhere until they value a dump-in, shotblock or a backcheck as much as a goal or assist. For a few players on that roster like Hall and Schultz, I don't think it'll ever happen.

t0rrent98 · 10-13-2013, 01:34 PM

Whoop de do.. they scratched Yakupov for one frigging game. If he was a healthy scratch for more than 5 games, yeah I would laugh at him but its only one frigging game.

They played the Leafs last night and I believe they scratched him in order to add toughness to the team with the new waiver picks ups they got, that and he wasn't really pulling his weight...

Henry Fool · 10-13-2013, 01:35 PM

It's not as simple as saying that either the goalie plays poorly or the team in front of him, or both. Goalies start making mistakes if the team defense regularly breaks down in front of him. That applies to all goalies.

Super Nintendo Chalmers · 10-13-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Taylor Hall show meanwhile is dedicated to selfish personal stats and gratification.

From what I've seen of him this season, his problems arose when he's trying to pass the puck. If anything, he needs to be more selfish.

t0rrent98 · 10-13-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The Taylor Hall show meanwhile is dedicated to selfish personal stats and gratification.

Hey.. I don't really mind it at all.. the more selfish he is the better as it\ll make me look good for my pool :P

krynski · 10-13-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Dubby had an amazing save % last year and they still didn't come close to playoffs. This year he will be thrown under the bus if this keeps up, which is good, if it prevents the correct changes from being made.

as a flames fan in the oiler city, fans have already taken him and tied him so the bus can go easily over him.

Psytic · 10-13-2013, 02:39 PM

Eakins is a good coach from what i've seen. I just think the Oil have managed to get the prima donna mentality into their system without actually first getting the success that usually causes the complacency in the first place. I think they think they have "made it" just by being high picks and some of these guys should be shipped out Seguin style to change the culture.