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Old 10-12-2013, 02:22 PM   #41
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I agree you can't do it all the time but you can't just look back and say reinhart is a borderline nhlr and kabanov is crashing and say one was a better pick because of outcome in this case. If you do that you end up drafting like sutter did. A whole lot of players with bottom 6 upside.
That's not what I did.

AT THE TIME, it was clear to many that Kabanov was a total head case and was a waste of a pick.

The Flames are (now) entirely focused on acquiring players with the right mindset and attitude. I think that's the right way to go and I NEVER want guys like Kabanov in my organization - even if they work out.
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:55 PM   #42
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If only Tim stayed with us. He would've had a nice opportunity to play and develop as a player here. Our Top 4 would look so nice with him there (assuming he develops the right way).

Anyway, you suck Tom.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:01 AM   #43
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A great nostalgic read:
http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2011/0...nd-tim-erixon/

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Yesterday the Calgary Flames traded what was roundly considered their number one prospect for a handful of magic beans (Roman Horak and two second round picks). Many Calgary fans are now left wondering how an organization so lacking in high-end youngsters could so suddenly lose such a valuable commodity.
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...playing for the New York Rangers is a dream come true for Erixon. “This is one of the greatest days of my life”, he says after signing with New York (assuming google translate isn’t lying to me). There is little doubt his fathers career and affinity for the city and Rangers organization were primary reasons for this.
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...the optics for the reeling franchise and their fresh new general manager are incredibly poor: Erixon’s rejection seems to cement the Flames reputation league-wide as a team with rapidly diminishing options and a questionable future. The damage to Calgary’s organizational depth chart is significant, but the bigger issue may be the stigma this sort of very public and notable rebuff may inflict on the club going forward.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:37 AM   #44
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^^ Awesome ^^ stupid rangers, stupid tom,stupid media, smart Feaster. We're looking pretty damn solid in the prospect department right now.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:43 AM   #45
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Not to get overdramatic or anything, but I have a feeling that in a few more years the Tom trade will be one of the biggest turning points in the franchise rebuild.

With Tom getting sent down back to the minor again and all of Horak, Grandlund and Wotherspoon knocking at the door of making the Flames club in the next two years, it's pretty clear that we won the trade. Sure Tom may still pan out to be a solid pick as there is still time, but the potential to have at least two of these guys turning out to be full time NHL'ers is pretty strong.

But I think the biggest benefit of the Erixon fiasco is that it embarrassed the Flames into rethinking their draft philosophy. From that point on the Flames focus has solely been on players with High IQ, a willingness to learn and strong character. They've focused on players that want to play here and want to learn. Long term that's going to be very important for the franchise turn around.
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I wouldn't mind if the Flames made a trade to get Tom back. I wonder if a 5th rounder would be enough to get him. I'd pay just to watch him clean the ice between periods. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:33 AM   #47
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Was I right, or was I right?? hehe

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News: (07:14 am ET) Tim Erixon didn't take his demotion to AHL Springfield lying down, notching three assists on Saturday against Worcester followed by a goal and an assist Sunday against Bridgeport, the Columbus Dispatch reports.
Analysis: The Jackets may not be able to keep Tim Erixon down in the AHL for long if he keeps that up, but it would take an injury or a trade to open up a spot for him in Columbus at the moment.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:00 AM   #48
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He'd probably have more NHL games played than Brodie had he stayed here.

I hope the worst for him.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:02 AM   #49
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This thread makes me happy! Great way to start the day!
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:15 AM   #50
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Was I right, or was I right?? hehe

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News: (07:14 am ET) Tim Erixon didn't take his demotion to AHL Springfield lying down, notching three assists on Saturday against Worcester followed by a goal and an assist Sunday against Bridgeport, the Columbus Dispatch reports.
Analysis: The Jackets may not be able to keep Tim Erixon down in the AHL for long if he keeps that up, but it would take an injury or a trade to open up a spot for him in Columbus at the moment.
It's got to be really frustrating knowing that he's too good for the AHL but there is no spot for him in the NHL. I guess the Blue Jackets just aren't in to giving their young players a chance, boo hoo. What's he going to claim next, that the BJ's Finnish GM hates him because he's Swedish.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:17 AM   #51
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It's got to be really frustrating knowing that he's too good for the AHL but there is no spot for him in the NHL. I guess the Blue Jackets just aren't in to giving their young players a chance, boo hoo. What's he going to claim next, that the BJ's Finnish GM hates him because he's Swedish.
Too good for the AHL and too ####ty for the NHL? Just perfect for the KHL.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:32 AM   #52
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Oh man does that Kent Wilson article look absurd now.

We'll keep those "magic beans" Kent, they're blossoming quite nicely actually.

And the crying about Calgary getting a "stigma"? Haven't had trouble signing prospects since then. In fact we're attracting guys (see Knight).

Terrible editorial.
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Oh man does that Kent Wilson article look absurd now.

We'll keep those "magic beans" Kent, they're blossoming quite nicely actually.

And the crying about Calgary getting a "stigma"? Haven't had trouble signing prospects since then. In fact we're attracting guys (see Knight).

Terrible editorial.
I loved reading it. Really shows how doom and gloom everyone thought our prospect outlook was going to be for years to come. Losing Erixon pretty much sealed the deal for Calgary's fate to some.

Love how wrong everyone was.
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Old 10-15-2013, 05:29 AM   #54
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Oh man does that Kent Wilson article look absurd now.

We'll keep those "magic beans" Kent, they're blossoming quite nicely actually.

And the crying about Calgary getting a "stigma"? Haven't had trouble signing prospects since then. In fact we're attracting guys (see Knight).

Terrible editorial.
Of course it looks absurd in hindsight. Many things said about a situation become a bit absurd a few years down the road.

Do you really think that if we don't go through your posts for the last couple years we wouldn't find anything that ended up being as silly if not even more ridiculous than this article?

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Old 10-15-2013, 09:00 AM   #56
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With Tom getting sent down back to the minor again and all of Horak, Grandlund and Wotherspoon knocking at the door of making the Flames club in the next two years, it's pretty clear that we won the trade. Sure Tom may still pan out to be a solid pick as there is still time, but the potential to have at least two of these guys turning out to be full time NHL'ers is pretty strong.
Not so fast. Fact is Horak got sent down too, and Grandlund and Wotherspoon haven't proven anything. As for winning the trade, the Rangers ended up acquiring Rick Nash and quite frankly it wouldn't have changed anything had you substituted Erixon for Horak, Grandlund, and Wotherspoon in that trade.

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But I think the biggest benefit of the Erixon fiasco is that it embarrassed the Flames into rethinking their draft philosophy. From that point on the Flames focus has solely been on players with High IQ, a willingness to learn and strong character. They've focused on players that want to play here and want to learn. Long term that's going to be very important for the franchise turn around.
I don't think the draft philosophy changed with Erixon's departure as much as there being a changing of the guard (Weisbrod being in charge of the draft). Tim Erixon was a solid pick and his departure doesn't change that unless there was a player the team liked just as much who wanted to be a Flame, otherwise the Flames most likely drafted what they felt to be the BPA and that's the way to do it. The mistake was not having traded Erixon earlier. It's like saying Quebec was wrong to draft Eric Lindros. They weren't.

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Truly a blessing in disguise. Feaster raped this trade. His best to date.
I disagree. As other posters have mentioned, Erixon would have most likely been a top 4 defenseman for this team had he stayed. No matter the results, the team still traded a potential top 4 defenseman for what looks to be a bottom 6 player (Horak), a potential 2nd line player, and most likely a potential bottom pairing defenseman (Wotherspoon). Feaster got what he can considering he was tricked into believing Erixon was going to sign.
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It is just the irony that we find so funny, he left Calgary because we don't play our youngsters, then he goes to the Rangers only to be traded to a team that buries him in the depth charts.

It doesn't get any better than that. I have no doubt Tom will be a solid D man at the NHL level, but we will revel in his misery while we can because of what he did.
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Of course it looks absurd in hindsight. Many things said about a situation become a bit absurd a few years down the road.

Do you really think that if we don't go through your posts for the last couple years we wouldn't find anything that ended up being as silly if not even more ridiculous than this article?
Indeed.

My personal favourite hindsight argument is how the Calgary Herald whined in 1985 that we traded Kent Nilsson for virtually nothing and that Cliff Fletcher was in over his head.
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Of course it looks absurd in hindsight. Many things said about a situation become a bit absurd a few years down the road.

Do you really think that if we don't go through your posts for the last couple years we wouldn't find anything that ended up being as silly if not even more ridiculous than this article?


Someone piss in your corn flakes this morning?
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Someone piss in your corn flakes this morning?
I'm a fan of Kent's work. And while the article ended up not representing what happened in the long run, it is a viewpoint many people had at the time. Even many posters on CP.
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